min the USA you can buy a 3900x right now for $399 and now it will also come with Xbox game pass for 3/6 months.
or you can buy a overheating 10900k for $550, that needs a $100 aftermarket cooler as well - total bill $650
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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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min the USA you can buy a 3900x right now for $399 and now it will also come with Xbox game pass for 3/6 months.
or you can buy a overheating 10900k for $550, that needs a $100 aftermarket cooler as well - total bill $650
The 3900x all day long unless you live in Alaska!
10% of Italians with it need intensive care. We have 4000 intensive care beds in the UK 80% full but say we double that. Each patient spends 3-6 weeks in ICU. Yes we can maybe double ICU. If 10% of the 40-50 million expected to get it by the inactive UK Govt need ICU you then have 4-5 million critically ill patients needing to get into 1000 beds. Let multiply the beds by a factor of 10 to be generous -10000 intensive care beds, it doesn't change the outcome much. Do the sums you ignorant pseudoscientist and get back to me with the results. Those 4-5 million needing ICU wont just magically 'recover at home' if left untreated btw. Some of these numbers will vary but unless we close down quite a bit the result will be catastrophic.
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That's WITH ICU and or hospital for the 20% who need it. The Italian death rate 5% or more reflects a health service at its limit. The problem is 5-20% will die with zero medical help (as in ventilators or ICU), even relatively young people literally suffocate to death from pneumonia. There are simply way too few hospital beds for the avalanche of cases caused by the speed of its spread. The way it's, even now, being painted by the authorities as far less lethal than it will be when health services are non existent still shocks me. Not a criticism of you but of Boot loop who clearly has no idea whatsoever.
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In terms of timing and CPU launches we can just about write this year off because the Covid 19 threat requires a massive GLOBAL response. This isn't a small thing it's one of the biggest events in our lifetimes and economically will be hugely damaging and disruptive. People are still failing to understand what's required and how massive this is. I'm not saying all economic activity will stop but there could be months of additional delay and disruption.
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in a situation where equipment and beds is limited then younger people should be given priority over retired elderly that already lived their life, don't pay tax and are closer to the end of their life anyway
They're already doing that in Italy, intensive care doctors talk about having to choose between a 40 year old, a 40 year old with 2 kids or an 80 year old as to which one to ventilate. In the UK a nurse friend said they've been instructed to 'go Italian' at the Easter peak so no-one over 65 gets assessed, I don't mean not treated I mean not even considered for treatment and no-one under 65 with underlying health issues e.g. CHD,Hypertension, diabetes the same.
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Please use the special sub forum created for this kind of talk, keep this thread for the topic at hand, thanks.
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The title should be changed as the 4000 series won't be exclusively Zen 3.
The title is on point, this thread isn't for Zen 2 based Ryzen 4000 APUs or mobile processors, only for Zen 3 things.
If you are saying Zen 3 will exist beyond Ryzen, then yeah, may add EPYC Genoa...
Soldato
AMD requested the raise of the microcode limit in the Linux kernel from 4K to 12K for the Zen 3 CPUs. Already there is a task of the highest priority to do so.
12K microcode is pretty huge, which means a lot things we do not know yet would be going on with those AMD CPUs.
In comparison Intel microcode is just 2K!!!!!
The Intel bios microcode is 2K. The Linux microcode is 3MB!!!!!!!!
12K microcode is pretty huge, which means a lot things we do not know yet would be going on with those AMD CPUs.
The Intel bios microcode is 2K. The Linux microcode is 3MB!!!!!!!!
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Apparently a lot of that 2K is white noise for obfuscation.
Must admit before today I had no idea how microcode worked (beyond a vague idea of what it is, conceptually), so decided to have a quick Google.
And now I can internally file it under "Things I learned that I will never use, but are interesting nonetheless."
One of the more interesting points being that it doesn't survive a reboot, unlike a mobo firmware update. And that allegedly only 10 people at Intel know how the updates are encoded/encrypted, and it isn't documented anywhere for security reasons..
Well I can sleep easy tonight, eh?
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If this is a real development then this is HUGE in the battle. This is exciting.
Soldato
Ofc is real development, Kernel development isn't something hidden behind company walls like with Microsoft Windows.
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linu...t&id=bdf89df3c54518eed879d8fac7577fcfb220c67e
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Larger-Microcode-Linux
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Family 19h
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=search&q=Family 19h
Soldato
Actually there was an error on Intel reporting. The Intel bios microcode is 2K. The Linux kernel Intel microcode is 3MB.
So does that now mean Intel is much better?
Soldato
So does that now mean Intel is much better?
Nobody said is better or not.... 3MB is really huge but guess it includes all the security patches
2K per CPU stepping, isn't it?
Probably adds up to a 3MB package for all CPU+stepping combos (guesswork on my part).
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