Intel need gains of circa 50% as of now. And hardware mitigation likes of have never been seen. If AMD gain another 17% this year Intels 2022 chips are very likely already redundant, and who knows what AMD will have in 2022.
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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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Intel need gains of circa 50% as of now. And hardware mitigation likes of have never been seen. If AMD gain another 17% this year Intels 2022 chips are very likely already redundant, and who knows what AMD will have in 2022.
Whilst this is most likely true, I'm not touching either of them... yet. If the 4000 series really are as good as the hype, I'll bite then.
I always planned to bite with the 3000 series, but was ultimately disappointed with the pricing and gaming performance (no other metrics interest me). e: And the lack of mid-range motherboards, and mobo prices for new stuff - ouch!
For gaming this isn't true at all.
Should make it clear for which use cases you're making this claim.
As much as I'm loving my 3900X I wouldn't write Intel off, the have deep pockets a massive pool of talent and will very likley hit back with a very strong product, admitidly not until 2021 atleast. Long let the competition continue 
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Or, say that you have something for 2021 and hope it materializes. They said they had 10nm nailed, they haven't brought any innovation for years, only refreshing the same platform. But something DEFINITELY from intel in 2021? Saying AMD wait to release at the end of intel CPU life to make it look better, makes you sound like a complete fanboy. So AMD have had 7nm for years and waiting until the end of intels old CPU?
Intel is ONLY faster than AMD at 720 and 1080p WITH a 2080ti. These resolutions are used to make you CPU bound showing that the ONLY difference can be measured at these resolutions. Higher resolutions (enthusiast resolutions) are down to margin of error because you are (and should be) GPU bound.
That doesn't seem to tally with any of the reviews I've seen - got something to back that up?
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I'd be more interested in the reviews you've seen that shows intel currently fastest at >1440p greater than margins of error.
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You seem informed enough to understand. AMD are in another league to Intel. Who cares about marginal performance differences in niche situations. Intel sure don’t and they can’t run a business based on or design CPUs around gaming. Prepare for more disappointing CPU’s from Intel in 2022.
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Not just that, foxeye must be the only person I know that was unhappy with AMD's pricing!
As much as I'm loving my 3900X I wouldn't write Intel off, the have deep pockets a massive pool of talent and will very likley hit back with a very strong product, admitidly not until 2021 atleast. Long let the competition continue
I would have agreed although Intel are still unable to fix faulty hardware years later.
Especially motherboard prices, since I would need a new one.Not just that, foxeye must be the only person I know that was unhappy with AMD's pricing!
Yadda, yadda, "buy a new CPU with the previous gen's motherboards"... nah, no thanks. I've always paired a CPU with a mobo from the same gen. It's not my fault the AMD mobos were £300+ on release.
But again, purely on the CPU side, and purely in terms of gaming perf, at release the CPU prices pretty much just matched the prices of Intel for the same gaming perf. So yes, I was disappointed.
Stuff like not even achieving the stated boost clocks, the firmware issues, yadda, yadda, saw me hold fire this gen.
Hopefully the 4000 release will be better. No teething problems; affordable mobos, no screaming loud mobo fans, etc.
I look at the whole package, and the 3000 series didn't get me excited. I sincerely hope the 4000 series is good enough for me to upgrade. I don't want to be stuck with this aging 2500k forever, you know
It would be good if reviewers use fully patch Intel/AMD PC's for tests, they probably don't so it's hard to know how much it would affect the results. That said, there are so many issues with Intel chips they would find it hard to keep the results up to date.
Not just that, foxeye must be the only person I know that was unhappy with AMD's pricing!
Yeah we have never had it so good.
Especially motherboard prices, since I would need a new one.
Yadda, yadda, "buy a new CPU with the previous gen's motherboards"... nah, no thanks. I've always paired a CPU with a mobo from the same gen. It's not my fault the AMD mobos were £300+ on release.
But again, purely on the CPU side, and purely in terms of gaming perf, at release the CPU prices pretty much just matched the prices of Intel for the same gaming perf. So yes, I was disappointed.
Stuff like not even achieving the stated boost clocks, the firmware issues, yadda, yadda, saw me hold fire this gen.
Hopefully the 4000 release will be better. No teething problems; affordable mobos, no screaming loud mobo fans, etc.
I look at the whole package, and the 3000 series didn't get me excited. I sincerely hope the 4000 series is good enough for me to upgrade. I don't want to be stuck with this aging 2500k forever, you know
Now would be a great time to buy AMD then. Chips cost less then RRP and offer incredible performance, X570 motherboards start at £120 and manufactures have had time to work the kinks out X570.
I remember sub-£100 Barton CPUs, sub-£100 Athlons, etc, that kicked ass.
Were you around back then?
I’m pre ABIT PB6 with dual Celerons, pre 68020 TBH.
Not really. If you take AMD at its word, the 4000 series will be the ones to get. I'm in no hurry to buy right now. Another 9 months won't hurt. The +IPC and shared cache will help in the games I play. They might finally unseat Intel as the gaming CPUs of choice.
Hopefully AMD can bring also the cost of 8 and 12 core CPUs down a tier.
As a bonus, the X670 are rumoured not to need a noisy chipset fan.
Noisy as in not silent? Non of the X570 boards are noisy...
So your "we've never had it so good" comment, where does that come from, if you know we've had more affordable mid-range CPUs in the form of Barton, Athlon, etc.
Curious.
Only if you're deaf.
Fast spinning small fans are never quiet, let alone silent. I had an ASUS with a mobo fan that drove me absolutely mad.
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As the current owner of a CH8 and a previous owner of a CH6, i can say with 100% certainty there is no difference in the "noise"
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