How many X570 systems have you used?
We have never had it so good. You had to hack the Celeron boards to overclock and the cost was still eye watering. You’re just mad because AMD.
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How many X570 systems have you used?
We have never had it so good. You had to hack the Celeron boards to overclock and the cost was still eye watering. You’re just mad because AMD.
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Yeah. Intel will probably have Skylake version 35 on 22nm
Sure, I'm anti AMD, when all my prior CPUs have been AMD bar the one I have today.
Sure.
I gave you two AMD chips that were better value at the time and you've just resorted to your typical "wah wah everybody who didn't buy 3000 series is an Intel shill."
Pure nonsense.
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It's why I went with the 3600x
I don't see the need for all the cores plus it was cheap.
Go for 4600x next year. Sell the 3600x for around £100 and it's a cheap upgrade of around £100.
No you mentioned the Barton core for some reason... Ryzen is miles better by comparison.
My typical wah wah ehhh? You’re just full of waffle.
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How many years ago?
I can only speak for X570 Taichi. On normal operation the fan is dead silent. The only time that can be heard, is the few seconds it takes from the button pressed to turn on the system to the bios screen appear, when is operating at 100% speed like everything including the Noctua D15. After that is dead quiet.
Many like yourself, like soundbites believing what ever you want to hear from idiots, except the owners of the products in the subject.
Same applies these days to the 5700XT with the reference cooler. Everyone believes thats is very noisy, even deafening loud. Yet they do not take the word of the owners. Even if the same people who cry about this, used GTX980Ti, GTX1080, GTX1080Ti Reference blower models, which they swear were quiet (on the old posts), yet the fact is (from the reviewers used to bash the 5700XT ref) were as noisy than the 5700XT ref when someone digs up the old reviews.
But we live in post truth world, so I do not expect to persuade, or anything from, you or the others like you. Because you will never ever change your minds.
Yeah I know they have 0 rpm modes (except Asus). So what?
You yourself just said that when it's spinning at 100% it's loud. So you've got a trade-off between cooling and noise.
Ultimately a small fan can never be silent when spinning fast. And a small fan needs to spin fast to have much effect on cooling.
This is just the laws of physics I'm afraid.
A PC that's silent at idle but fairly loud during gaming, is still not a quiet PC. It's a quiet PC at idle.
If you like I can point you to 100s of threads on Reddit complaining about loud mobo fans.
I guess there are lots of "idiot" owner who must be imagining things? Hearing noises in their heads that don't exist?
Otherwise how do you explain all the complaints on places like Reddit?
Let's start here, shall we?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cacne2/x570_chipset_fan_experience_thread/
Yes some say it's quiet, but others say it's loud.
"Post-truth" world, my backside.
Shall I continue?
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This is very true. Not silent from 20cm away now seems to = deafening.
I don’t remember any moaning about the GTX780ti cards power use or noise yet when AMD pretty much beat that card at half the price suddenly power use and noise is a critical buying factor
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This is very true. Not silent from 20cm away now seems to = deafening.
I don’t remember any moaning about the GTX780ti cards power use or noise yet when AMD pretty much beat that card at half the price suddenly power use and noise is a critical buying factor
I had a dual fan Gigabyte GTX780 Ghz. That card was so loud, that when got the 295X2 felt happy because didn't need to use headphones.
Vega 64 reference was loud and that from own experience, but the 5700XT AE have currently is tad more quiet than the GTX980Ti FE I had and as loud as the GTX1080TI Xtreme when pushed hard by games.
However my word and the word of many others is irrelevant because we haven't shoved a microphone at the card exhaust measuring the noise of the turbulent air coming out.
Ah so now you concede it's not quiet, so are now deflecting to "noise isn't a problem when it's not AMD; this is just another anti-AMD tactic."This is very true. Not silent from 20cm away now seems to = deafening.
I don’t remember any moaning about the GTX780ti cards power use or noise yet when AMD pretty much beat that card at half the price suddenly power use and noise is a critical buying factor
You people are so obsessed with putting everything into pro-AMD/anti-AMD boxes that you can't see what's in front of your own eyes.
No it can. Well the fans on ASRock, Gigabyte/Arous, MSI and Asus too according kitfit1 can.
How many X570 systems have you used? I’m going out on limb and say zero, because if you had you would know what you’re saying is false.
I have the Asrock X570 Taichi. Chipset fan is set to performance not full speed.
Chipset has never exceeded 80ºC and I do not notice any noise from the chipset fan.
Well the only time is when I have the side of the case off and was trying the different fan profiles. Every time you select another the fan ramps up to 100% when you can hear it before settling to the speed you selected.
Do I worry about the odd time the chipset reaches 80ºC no not at all.
Memory is overclocked I am pumping extra volts into memory and CPU and the 1080Ti is by far the loudest fan noise in my system.
Chipset has never exceeded 80ºC and I do not notice any noise from the chipset fan.
Well the only time is when I have the side of the case off and was trying the different fan profiles. Every time you select another the fan ramps up to 100% when you can hear it before settling to the speed you selected.
Do I worry about the odd time the chipset reaches 80ºC no not at all.
Memory is overclocked I am pumping extra volts into memory and CPU and the 1080Ti is by far the loudest fan noise in my system.
I have no intention of buying an X570 motherboard, correct.
I've read enough posts from people who *do* have noise issues, that even in the best case it must be either a) a gamble or b) dependent on sensitivity to noise (I am *very* sensitive to fan noise).
Then of course you have the fact that a small, high RPM fan will be prone to failure in a couple years.
Not having a chipset fan has become normal now and I have no intention of going backwards to having one, when X670 is not expected to need it.
I am not in a business of making purchases that do not fit my needs, just because it would please some AMD advocates.
I've already provided you with quotes from real X570 users with chipset fan noise issues.
The fact that you've chosen to disregard them all because they don't fit your narrative, tells me all I need to know. I at least did acknowledge that some people are not "affected", whilst others most certainly are. That's because I'm not biased one way or the other. You should try it some time.
Yeah I had both GTX780Ti and R9 290X. The R9 290X was the better card. I now have ref 5700XT’s in nearly all my systems (6 IIRC) and although not cheap they are amazing cards for the money and more than acceptable.
Would you class *inaudible* as not quiet?
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I have an MSI X570-A Pro, about the cheapest X570 board there is. The chipset fan is virtually never on, so no, it's not noisy and it's not going to fail anytime soon.
You do need to watch your motherboard brand if you have a large GFX card - Asrock in particular put the chipset intake in a place that gets completely covered by large cards like my Palit 2080Ti dual, and that would thrash the chipset fan horribly as it fed in hot air from the GPU.
But the idea that they are all noisy or it's a lottery seems overblown.
Nobody says you have to buy one, but your objections seem a little trumped up.
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I just bought a 3900X, but fully planning to slip in a 4900/4950X probably when Zen 4 launches and they are going on discount!
I'm certainly not delighted about having chipset fans again, but this argument always struck me as odd... even a cheap as chips tiny little 30mm ebay special fan will have an MTBF in the order of 35,000hrs. That's 4 years of non stop use before reaching the MTBF.... or if you used your PC for 12 solid hours a day it would be 8 years of use. One would hope that at least some if not most of these boards are using decent quality fans that will likely last much longer.
Of course it could fail earlier (also later!) but it hardly seems like the catastrophic inevitability that some people like to paint it as. My laptop has tiny fans and those are still working just fine, the laptop is nearly 7 years old!
To me the objection is simple - it's an extra potential source of noise. No need to try and make problems where they don't realistically exist. Also in the event you did get unlucky and yours did fail while the board is still even relevant it's literally just a chipset... not exactly rocket science to fit a new chipset cooler. Some people make out like you'd just have to chuck the whole board out!
Personally I'll probably just put a chipset waterblock on there at some point and plumb it into my system.... because why not.
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Well I can honestly say that I have had a mobo chipset fan fail on me. On an ASUS board. I'm sure the MTBF was probably tens of thousands of hours on that too, but still it failed.
In the end I replaced it with a finned heatsink only (which I had to mod to fit the GPU). It was an inexpensive mobo tho and a couple years old, but even so I was pleased that it didn't melt after deciding to ditch the fan completely.
So it does happen. I wouldn't say it's a made-up argument, at all.
I don't think it's possible to do the same with the X570 tho - not as a mod anyhow - the temps as recorded by real users have hit 90C, apparently. There is what, one fanless out of the box model, but it's one of the expensive ones iirc.
They are obviously not all loud, as stated twice now, but it doesn't help that *some* owners of virtually all models - including those mentioned like the Taichi - have reported noise issues.
So it's either sensitivity or luck of the draw as said.
Lastly as previously mentioned this isn't my only objection or reason for not buying a 3000 series chip.
For me it makes sense to wait and see what 2020 brings. The 3000 series just isn't compelling enough. If that makes me an Intel shill, so be it. I'll eagerly anticipate my paycheck. Also nVidia seems to be quite tardy with their payroll system too. Maybe I should complain.
In the end I replaced it with a finned heatsink only (which I had to mod to fit the GPU). It was an inexpensive mobo tho and a couple years old, but even so I was pleased that it didn't melt after deciding to ditch the fan completely.
So it does happen. I wouldn't say it's a made-up argument, at all.
I don't think it's possible to do the same with the X570 tho - not as a mod anyhow - the temps as recorded by real users have hit 90C, apparently. There is what, one fanless out of the box model, but it's one of the expensive ones iirc.
They are obviously not all loud, as stated twice now, but it doesn't help that *some* owners of virtually all models - including those mentioned like the Taichi - have reported noise issues.
So it's either sensitivity or luck of the draw as said.
Lastly as previously mentioned this isn't my only objection or reason for not buying a 3000 series chip.
For me it makes sense to wait and see what 2020 brings. The 3000 series just isn't compelling enough. If that makes me an Intel shill, so be it. I'll eagerly anticipate my paycheck. Also nVidia seems to be quite tardy with their payroll system too. Maybe I should complain.
As said, of course there is the chance a certain percentage will fail well before MTBF is reached... also a chance I get run over by a bus tomorrow! Wonder which is more statistically likely now I think about it...
I think made-up argument is unfair, and it wasn't my intention to suggest that it's entirely made up - simply that for the vast majority of users the board will be obsolete before failure so it's not a pivotal argument. You say you have other objections to the X570 platform, so it makes sense that you don't want to dive in.... I just think one needs to be careful given a lot of not so tech savvy people read this sort of statement and will go away thinking that fan failure almost certainly will happen within a "couple of years".
To be clear, I think not wanting x570 because of the fan is perfectly valid, I just think the possible noise nuisance should rank far higher than the possibility of failure within a reasonable time frame.
I don't think I've heard my fan yet on the aorus master, but it's still curently on air so the other fans would be drowning it out. Once I get around to building the loop it would be interesting to see if it becomes noticeable.
I think made-up argument is unfair, and it wasn't my intention to suggest that it's entirely made up - simply that for the vast majority of users the board will be obsolete before failure so it's not a pivotal argument. You say you have other objections to the X570 platform, so it makes sense that you don't want to dive in.... I just think one needs to be careful given a lot of not so tech savvy people read this sort of statement and will go away thinking that fan failure almost certainly will happen within a "couple of years".
To be clear, I think not wanting x570 because of the fan is perfectly valid, I just think the possible noise nuisance should rank far higher than the possibility of failure within a reasonable time frame.
I don't think I've heard my fan yet on the aorus master, but it's still curently on air so the other fans would be drowning it out. Once I get around to building the loop it would be interesting to see if it becomes noticeable.
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