AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

They are obviously not all loud, as stated twice now, but it doesn't help that *some* owners of virtually all models - including those mentioned like the Taichi - have reported noise issues.

So it's either sensitivity or luck of the draw as said.

Haven't seen anyone report any fan noise issues with the msi x570-a pro, cheap as it is.

What I have seen is broken firmware with some manufacturers, which has been fixed with BIOS updates, and a few quality control issues with bent PWM pins.

Honestly I think any problems have been exaggerated.

 

[FoxEye]

As said, of course there is the chance a certain percentage will fail well before MTBF is reached... also a chance I get run over by a bus tomorrow! Wonder which is more statistically likely now I think about it...

It's more likely to fail than if you didn't have a fan

But even if it doesn't fail completely, you've still got mechanical degradation. So the noise could get worse as the bearings get more worn.

The impact of this is somewhat lessened by the zero-RPM modes present on modern fan controllers. My mobo didn't have the last time I had a chipset fan. That was on all the time.

 

[Troezar]

Enjoying my very quiet X570 system, not missing my 2500K in the slightest I'll have had plenty of value out of the hardware by the time I drop in a 4000 series CPU.

 

[smilingcrow]

I imagine that people running heavily over-clocked CPUs and GPUs using multiple fans, water pumps etc have a different sense of what constituents quiet than those of us whose system is completely silent even at 100% load at midnight when the ambient background noise is much lower.
If I can hear it at all in a house which is just about silent then it's too loud.
This is what some people don't grasp I think.
The fan speed might be the only objective measurement that would be useful without much more complex action so what speeds are people seeing being reported?

 

[FoxEye]

It's also the type of noise. The big fans with their low-pitched wooshing noises, fairly constant, being one kettle of fish. The small, whiny, high-pitched fans being another.

I get especially upset at fans changing RPM, when the tone and volume is continually changing. Annoys the heck out of me.

A constant, low-pitch, noise of air movement can be tuned out mentally. A continually changing pitch from a fan spinning up and down, can't at all be tuned out.

 

[alec]

X570 design decisions smell of rush job. Although we don't know if Intel could solve high bandwidth problems better as they don't have a Pcie4 capable cpus or motherboards and seems their 10xxx cpus still won't have it.

Intel last remaining advantage in games is valid only for 9700k and 9900k(s). In lower tiers Amd has the lead.

Sunny Cove designs sounds very promising and a proper revolutionary leap, as long as it can be paired with frequency. What good is 40% IPC gain if you lose 30% clock speed? And eventually it also needs to be paired with affordable core count increase. So Intel is couple steps behind still, even with most promising developments.

 

[FoxEye]

Well the 9600K beats the 3600 in many benchmarks. The GamersNexus ones were the last set that I saw, for the 3500X review.

It probably comes down to what games you play most, tbh. Can't say fairer than that.

 

[HangTime]

Will probably get one if my board supports it and the price is sensible, unless there are big price cuts on the 3700 in which case I might go that route.

 

[Threepwood]

Well the 9600K beats the 3600 in many benchmarks.

With the intel security patches the gap can be less though.

 

[FoxEye]

With the intel security patches the gap can be less though.

True, and I'm not recommending Intel CPUs here or anywhere else. Although for home users I doubt many people would apply those mitigations, or have a great need for them.

I'm merely waiting for the 4000 series when I expect AMD to pull ahead, hopefully across the board.

 

[TNA]

So your "we've never had it so good" comment, where does that come from, if you know we've had more affordable mid-range CPUs in the form of Barton, Athlon, etc.

Curious.


Only if you're deaf.

Fast spinning small fans are never quiet, let alone silent. I had an ASUS with a mobo fan that drove me absolutely mad.

Mine never spins up

I was concerned about it also before buying truth be told. They are there in case things get toasty I guess. My case is well ventilated though so that is never an issue.

 

[Orange Nexus]

Well the 9600K beats the 3600 in many benchmarks. The GamersNexus ones were the last set that I saw, for the 3500X review.

It probably comes down to what games you play most, tbh. Can't say fairer than that.

Yes, it will be game dependent. You'd be better off with at least an 8 core, tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOtlgTjBvZU

 

[Chrisc]

I had a dual fan Gigabyte GTX780 Ghz. That card was so loud, that when got the 295X2 felt happy because didn't need to use headphones.
Vega 64 reference was loud and that from own experience, but the 5700XT AE have currently is tad more quiet than the GTX980Ti FE I had and as loud as the GTX1080TI Xtreme when pushed hard by games.

However my word and the word of many others is irrelevant because we haven't shoved a microphone at the card exhaust measuring the noise of the turbulent air coming out.

I found the vega 64 reference absolutely fine at 1080p, when i jumped to 1440, it had to go. No amount of tweaking made it bearable.

 

[Panos]

I found the vega 64 reference absolutely fine at 1080p, when i jumped to 1440, it had to go. No amount of tweaking made it bearable.

Thats what I said But 5700XT Reference doesn't use the same cooler nor makes the same noise. That was my point.

 

[HangTime]

Not just that, foxeye must be the only person I know that was unhappy with AMD's pricing!

I was unhappy with 3700x being priced over £300. Big markup over the 2700x. Not saying that means it was/is a rip-off and might compare OK to 2000 series launch pricing, but despite wanting one I've not been able to justify the outlay. Clearly a better chip than the 2700x but it is nearly double the price and doesn't really stack up as a proposition. Gamers will benefit from the increased IPC but are in most cases better off going for a 3600 and spending the £120 or whatever saving on a better GPU. For people not gaming the 2700x matches the core/thread count of the 3700x and you are then talking fairly modest gains.

So I'm stuck in limbo a bit, I want a 3700x to get a big enough difference to warrant upgrading, but they haven't priced it to a level to tempt me. If I was forced into buying a cpu today due to failure or whatever I'd most likely go with 2700x or perhaps 3600 if there were good deals on. There could even be a scenario whereby further price cuts on the 2000 series would see me jumping ship even if I didn't have to.

 

[Woodsta888]

I was unhappy with 3700x being priced over £300. Big markup over the 2700x. Not saying that means it was/is a rip-off and might compare OK to 2000 series launch pricing, but despite wanting one I've not been able to justify the outlay. Clearly a better chip than the 2700x but it is nearly double the price and doesn't really stack up as a proposition. Gamers will benefit from the increased IPC but are in most cases better off going for a 3600 and spending the £120 or whatever saving on a better GPU. For people not gaming the 2700x matches the core/thread count of the 3700x and you are then talking fairly modest gains.

So I'm stuck in limbo a bit, I want a 3700x to get a big enough difference to warrant upgrading, but they haven't priced it to a level to tempt me. If I was forced into buying a cpu today due to failure or whatever I'd most likely go with 2700x or perhaps 3600 if there were good deals on. There could even be a scenario whereby further price cuts on the 2000 series would see me jumping ship even if I didn't have to.

It's double the price of the 2700X because they dropped the 2700X price. What was the 2700X on release? Plus before xmas the 3700X AND the 3800X had decent offers. £270 for a 3700X and £320 for the 3800X. The poster to whom I was referring is coming from a 2500k and was also horrified with the price of X570 MOBO's. My £160 X570 MOBO runs my 3800X as advertised and more. So you want the 3700X @ todays 2700X price? If AMD kept the 2700X at its pre ryzen 3000 price they wouldve sold none. Like Foxeye, you want the new stuff at the same price as the old stuff.

 

[shamus21]

2020 will be an interesting year for Cpu`s will we see AMD become the winner. Looking at what Intel have to offer and the cost i would not be surprised.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

It's double the price of the 2700X because they dropped the 2700X price. What was the 2700X on release?

$329. The exact same price as 3700X at launch.

And yes, my bottom-of-the-range MSI X570 board also runs my 3800X and 2080Ti, plus two NVMe drives (with a third on an adaptor in the PCIe x4 slot) all as advertised!

 

[FoxEye]

Like Foxeye, you want the new stuff at the same price as the old stuff.

It's more accurate to say I'm simply not tempted with the performance vs price on offer atm.

I didn't compare to the 2000 series, so you've not got that from me. I did mention Athlon, etc, as examples of previous chips I bought that I thought were good value. And you (or was it @jigger) said that "Ryzen is much better", but that could mean almost anything. In absolute perf terms? Sure it is. In value terms? By what metric?

Objectively motherboard prices this gen also did skyrocket - leading to the most common solution for value oriented customers being to buy last gen's motherboards.

In that case, yes we wanted new motherboards at last gen's (normal) prices. Instead we got doubling and tripling of prices in many cases. That's pretty undeniable.

e: Lastly, whilst the 2000 series is on sale, it would be rather ludicrous to ignore the vfm comparison between the 3000 series and the 2000 series.

They are both products on sale today, so why is it not a valid comparison? If people choose to buy the 2000 series for great vfm, are they somehow wrong? If people want to wait for better deals, are they wrong?

Why is there the need to justify 3000 series purchases by telling everyone who doesn't buy that their logic is defective? I'm glad you are enjoying your purchase. Doesn't mean we all have to follow suit, or feel the same way as you do about their relative value for money.

 

[HangTime]

I already said in the post that the 3700x "might compare OK to 2000 series launch pricing". I've never said I want new stuff for the same price as the old stuff, I want the new stuff at a price increment over the old stuff I feel I can justify spending. So I'm not saying "sell me a 3700x at £150" I'm saying "sell me a 3700x at £240" or something along those lines. A price that is more than the old stuff but also more proportional to the level of performance increase. Clearly when you start looking at the top end parts like 3900x etc then you will always have a price premium due to yields and less competition.
Regardless of whether the price is justified or not, it doesn't mean I should necessarily be happy with it, everyone has to make up their own minds about what they are happy with.