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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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humbug said:
Its not available here, it is available on the worlds largest retail site, currently, quite often it isn't and yet its never anywhere near the top 12 selling CPU's, there are 9 left.
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It's in stock at least 3 other large competitors - it's hardly a "fake product"


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Is it less available than the parts Intel would rather sell given their limited production capacity? Yes (in the same way AMD's capacity is constrained and there are hardly any parts cheaper than a 3600 available)
 
humbug said:
I don't have a problem with Intel being the budget option, if they are consistently available great they are a better CPU than the Ryzen 3600.
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It's just a shame that the AMD platform works out a better option, due to cheaper motherboards (e.g. £60 for "good" B450 motherboard, versus £100 for equivalent Intel board) and most Intel chipsets being good for 1 generation of chip at most, whereas the AM4 boards have been unprecedently upgradeable
 
Armageus said:
It's just a shame that the AMD platform works out a better option, due to cheaper motherboards (e.g. £60 for "good" B450 motherboard, versus £100 for equivalent Intel board) and most Intel chipsets being good for 1 generation of chip at most, whereas the AM4 boards have been unprecedently upgradeable
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It is odd that equivalent Intel motherboards cost more than AMD ones, on top of that the more expensive B560 boards are often missing features that you do find on the B550 version, like Intel 2.5Gb Ethernet, the B560 boards often also have 2.5Gb Ethernet but a cheaper equivalent. Which makes me wonder if costs are higher because Intel are using higher priced chipsets as a proxy to keep the margins up.
 
Ryzen prices seem to come down considering the upcoming new releases and I am considering an upgrade. Current prices of processors seem a bit high for me considering what I have paid some years ago. I realize technology gets expensive but the price curve seems a bit steep to me. Anyway what do you think on the price trend - do you think that prices will come down further or will hold at current level?
 
pcuser said:
Ryzen prices seem to come down considering the upcoming new releases and I am considering an upgrade. Current prices of processors seem a bit high for me considering what I have paid some years ago. I realize technology gets expensive but the price curve seems a bit steep to me. Anyway what do you think on the price trend - do you think that prices will come down further or will hold at current level?
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The best time to buy zen 3 will be around when Alderlake releases as I would expect to see a substantial price cut if the leaked figures for Alderlake are correct.
 
pcuser said:
Ryzen prices seem to come down considering the upcoming new releases and I am considering an upgrade. Current prices of processors seem a bit high for me considering what I have paid some years ago. I realize technology gets expensive but the price curve seems a bit steep to me. Anyway what do you think on the price trend - do you think that prices will come down further or will hold at current level?
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We have a global shortage of chips and a unforeseen demand. I think prices will continue to creep up unless the shortage is resolved and demand drops.
 
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Joxeon said:
The best time to buy zen 3 will be around when Alderlake releases as I would expect to see a substantial price cut if the leaked figures for Alderlake are correct.
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That could be good for me.

jigger said:
We have a global shortage of chips and a unforeseen demand. I think prices will continue to creep up unless the shortage is resolved and demand drops.
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I am afraid you may be right but hope that you are not in this particular case.
 
Yup, the price it assumes Intel don’t pull an Intel/Nvidia/AMD and increase the price to reflect the performance gains over the competition/previous generation rather than competing to drive the price down.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Yup, the price it assumes Intel don’t pull an Intel/Nvidia/AMD and increase the price to reflect the performance gains over the competition/previous generation rather than competing to drive the price down.
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Intel's 10th series were priced to compete with AMD, 11th were higher, 12th will come together with the pricetag for DDR5 and new chipset so maybe they will have to put lower cpu prices and AMD will have to drop prices to remain competitive? AMD seems to be reducing prices on the 5th series although cautiously.
 
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pcuser said:
Intel's 10th series were priced to compete with AMD, 11th were higher, 12th will come together with the pricetag for DDR5 and new chipset so maybe they will have to put lower cpu prices and AMD will have to drop prices to remain competitive? AMD seems to be reducing prices on the 5th series although cautiously.
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Not necessarily, if Intel are 10% faster next time round they will not have any issues charging 10% more. That’s exactly what AMD did at the Ryzen 5 launch (added $50 to each SKU) when they were faster than Intel.
 
pcuser said:
It seems to me that only AMD people know at the moment. Could be either way - probably depends on bosses' decision which option will bring more profit.
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Yes, because in a 1-3 year development cycle they can decide the socket at the last moment (sarc)

Although AMD do have a bit versatility there as most their desktop CPU are chiplet based with an IO part.

Rumours are that Zen3 + 3D cache will be on AM4 which makes sense, while Zen4 will be on AM5. Since DDR5 will be expensive, even if they were to try rush Zen4 that would not make sense.

What might happen is a last AM4 release (but with new chipset required to keep the motherboard makers happy and to make BIOS updates etc. easier) where they pair Zen4 with the Zen3 IO chip. That would probably lose performance but so will AL-s with DDR4.
 
KompuKare said:
Yes, because in a 1-3 year development cycle they can decide the socket at the last moment (sarc)

Although AMD do have a bit versatility there as most their desktop CPU are chiplet based with an IO part.

Rumours are that Zen3 + 3D cache will be on AM4 which makes sense, while Zen4 will be on AM5. Since DDR5 will be expensive, even if they were to try rush Zen4 that would not make sense.

What might happen is a last AM4 release (but with new chipset required to keep the motherboard makers happy and to make BIOS updates etc. easier) where they pair Zen4 with the Zen3 IO chip. That would probably lose performance but so will AL-s with DDR4.
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Maybe I did not express myself right. I am not saying that they have made the decision at the last moment. What I meant was that they could go either way depending on their marketing. As you say because of the chiplet design they could have gone AM4 as a good gesture to current AM4 owners or AM5 if that could bring more revenue. Decision has probably being made some time ago since they need to produce, package and distribute actual processors to vendors and it is just a matter of time for us to find out.

If I was to make a wild guess and speculate I would think that they will go with AM4 to compete with Alder Lake and then let the Zen4 shine on AM5.
 
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KompuKare said:
but with new chipset required to keep the motherboard makers happy and to make BIOS updates etc. easier
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That's what X570S is, but interestingly not everybody is doing it. Asus, for instance, did the Dark Hero with fully passive cooling, but that's X570.

Regardless, there is definitely something coming to AM4 as a last hurrah, otherwise why are mobo vendors refreshing X570 boards so late in the cycle?

And all this says to me that Zen 4 isn't going to be mid next year like some suggested. The 3D cache Zen 3 should hold off Alder Lake nicely, especially if AMD do a full SKU refresh (chiplets are chiplets are chiplets, after all), until towards the end of next year when DDR5 has matured somewhat and Intel are gearing up for Raptor Lake.
 
Some leaks showing Intel going for new peaks in price for Alder Lake. I guess that will mean that prices for Rizen 5th series will not drop much. Hope that those leaks are wrong though because I want a new AMD processor.
 
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