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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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Joxeon said:
If the 12400F maintains current pricing and DDR4 works on the cheaper boards and it beats a 5600X then it's hard to see where AMD will go other than having to massively cut prices.
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You could say that about the 11400F vs the 3600, but that's not what is happening despite every major reviewer pushing the 11400F as the best budget option, which i agree with BTW.

I don't know why that is, what i do know is the 3600 is always available despite being more expensive than the 10400F / 11400F and selling in sick numbers while the 10400F and 11400F are quite often out of stock, i think that's because Intel deliberately don't make enough of them, they are a business and having a CPU that's pretty much the same as another CPU in your range $100 more expensive is not good for business, if you keep up with demand for them all you're doing is giving away $100 with every sale of them.
 
humbug said:
You could say that about the 11400F vs the 3600, but that's not what is happening despite every major reviewer pushing the 11400F as the best budget option, which i agree with BTW.

I don't know why that is, what i do know is the 3600 is always available despite being more expensive than the 10400F / 11400F and selling in sick numbers while the 10400F and 11400F are quite often out of stock, i think that's because Intel deliberately don't make enough of them, they are a business and having a CPU that's pretty much the same as another CPU in your range $100 more expensive is not good for business, if you keep up with demand for them all you're doing is giving away $100 with every sale of them.
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That's AMDs current mindshare for you in the that people will pay more for a slower product.

For Intel to win they not only need faster products but to also change people's perception.
 
Joxeon said:
That's AMDs current mindshare for you in the that people will pay more for a slower product.

For Intel to win they not only need faster products but to also change people's perception.
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It's also artificial stock limitation by Intel not wanting to be seen as the "budget brand". The 11400F is a cracking little thing, but limited supply pushes customers to the 11600K instead, because you can't (well, couldn't) get a 5600X either.
 
I'll say this, Intel have finally accepted that people want high core count CPU's on the mainstream platform.

Tho i expect AMD to push that to the next level again with Zen 5 if not Zen 4 because with MCM they can quite easily and with Zen 5... again i expect them to be stacking core dies on top of core dies and a huge slab of cache on top of that and then gluing multiple stacks of that together.

Zen 5 is going to make another frame shift in reality. CPU's are going to start looking like GPU's with Gigabytes of L3 Cache.
 
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I don't expect Alder Lake platform to be able to compete in the low end pricewise at the time of release. Maybe later on. But it seems that AMD are dropping prices in the low end.
 
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Grim5 said:
Samsung has announced its working on 15gb/s gen 5 SSDs that will launch between April and May 2022
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I somehow forgot that pcie5 was another doubling. In my mind it was a 3x pcie3 not 4x.
Ridiculous numbers. Half the bandwidth of single channel DDR4 3600.
 
I wouldn’t get too excited, in reality the initial consumer grade SSDs will have blistering speed to the cache but will be paired with the same old NAND we have now.

Anything actually doing those speeds will be £lol out of the gate and over little, if any real world performance gains to consumers.

The real world gains are had from going from spinning disks to ssds, outside of file transfers there isn’t actually much to be had over SATA at the moment until direct storage gets off the ground and even then gen 4 speeds will be more than enough.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I wouldn’t get too excited, in reality the initial consumer grade SSDs will have blistering speed to the cache but will be paired with the same old NAND we have now.

Anything actually doing those speeds will be £lol out of the gate and over little, if any real world performance gains to consumers.

The real world gains are had from going from spinning disks to ssds, outside of file transfers there isn’t actually much to be had over SATA at the moment until direct storage gets off the ground and even then gen 4 speeds will be more than enough.
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It is hard o achieve improvement with a single drive without the price tag. If one wants to achieve performance with limited funds he can build RAID but will need the bandwidth between CPU and motherboard to achieve it. AMD made a leap with PCI-E 4.0 x4 link between CPU and chipset implementation but that may be limiting to current PCI-E 4.0 drives. Intel is claiming to surpass it with Alder Lake claimed PCI-E 4.0 x 8 which may allow a 2x PCI-E 4.0 RAID. Let's see what AMD answer is going to be.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
The real world gains are had from going from spinning disks to ssds, outside of file transfers there isn’t actually much to be had over SATA at the moment until direct storage gets off the ground and even then gen 4 speeds will be more than enough.
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For gaming and browsing they won't make much difference other than bragging rights, but for some applications which rely on lots of random disk I/O, a fast NVME SSD can make a noticable difference to performance. As an example, I still have an older Samsung 840 Pro SSD which uses a SATA port and has speeds around 500MB/s. When I upgraded to an NVME m.2 drive, booting from cold was a few seconds faster, and general windows performance generally seemed smoother and opening applications seems ever so slightly faster. However, using Adobe Lightroom for processing thousands of photos, I noticed a difference in performance when moving quickly through the photos. When processing photos stored on the older SSD drive, after moving quickly between about 10-15 photos (bashing the right arrow key :D), the app would start to slow down, taking several seconds longer to open each subsequent photo and render a full size preview. Using photos and a lightroom catalogue stored on the NVME drive, the speed drop off was negligible doing the same thing. I think the app does a lot of pre-fetching of images it thinks you will be looking at next.

I also use an Oracle database in a VM, and the difference in performance in intensive tasks (month end processing of hundreds of thousands of records) was huge, maybe taking half the time it did before with no other system changes.

When I eventually upgrade my X99 based system, I'll certainly be looking for a system that can provide the fastest disk transfer speeds.
 
Just installed my 5600x.

I installed the AMD chipset drivers but no Ryzen power plan shows up in the power options.

Is this normal with Ryzen 5000?

It used to show up on my 3700x.
 
opethdisciple said:
Just installed my 5600x.

I installed the AMD chipset drivers but no Ryzen power plan shows up in the power options.

Is this normal with Ryzen 5000?

It used to show up on my 3700x.
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Correct ryzen 5000 chipset driver removes the ryzen power plan.

It's recommended to use the Windows Balanced plan for Ryzen 5000
 
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