AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

humbug · 27 Jul 2022 at 13:13

Gondar said:
But it is AMD fault Intel dind't offer more than 4 cores in mainstream, while charging 800$+ for 8 core cpu .

Oh that argument, yeah, AMD are a failed charity.

humbug · 27 Jul 2022 at 13:15

Joxeon said:
Which was my point that had AMD brought some competition then Intel would have had to up core counts earlier so AMD certainly played their part in the stagnation era.

How dare 3dfx Interactive go bust, so inconvenient to me....

uscool · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:00

Joxeon said:
Which was my point that had AMD brought some competition then Intel would have had to up core counts earlier so AMD certainly played their part in the stagnation era.

You do realise you need resources and money some task when you up against someone that has much more of it and established might be wrong but wasn't AMD on the brink ?

So they did brilliantly and now we are seeing much better increases per gen and prices because of it , same goes with Nvidia need AMD and intel to compete

Anyone in Intel's position would do the same with stagnation when you have weak competition

humbug · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:20

Any company would want to sit back and do nothing but rebrand old products over and over again if they could, including AMD.

But to blame AMD for Intel doing that is utterly ridiculous, that's an example of cognitive dissonance, Intel can do no wrong, so Intel's wrong doing must be the fault of AMD.

Vulture · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:26

humbug said:
Any company would want to sit back and do nothing but rebrand old products over and over again if they could, including AMD.

But to blame AMD for Intel doing that is utterly ridiculous, that's an example of cognitive dissonance, Intel can do no wrong, so Intel's wrong doing must be the fault of AMD.

It is Dave like mentality, but fortunately such are the minority.

LePhuronn · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:50

Gondar said:
It is Dave like mentality, but fortunately such are the minority.

After an argument I managed to avoid escalating on Facebook recently, I'd suggest it's actually the majority. At the very least, pig-headed ignorance is rife and everywhere, combined with the self-entitled notion that social media gives you the right to post your drivel at every given opportunity.

Vulture · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:53

LePhuronn said:
After an argument I managed to avoid escalating on Facebook recently, I'd suggest it's actually the majority. At the very least, pig-headed ignorance is rife and everywhere, combined with the self-entitled notion that social media gives you the right to post your drivel at every given opportunity.

Not in this forum ( i think), there are couple troublemakers (3-4 of them), so when you take them out of the equation it is relative normal conversation here, nothing toxic.

Toasty · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:59

Tribalism has taken over every aspect of some peoples lives, its scary to see.

humbug · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:15

This forum is a calm and reasoned oasis compared with social media.

Sociopaths and Narcissists are drawn to places like Twitter because they can virtue signal over people and bully them, they are still a minority in society but they are starting to spill over in to institutions, frankly its about time the sane majority grew a spine and called these people out for what they are.

Bencher · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:18

Joxeon said:
Intel have never to my knowledge increased core for core prices by that level from one gen to the next despite having a larger lead over AMD for many years than what Zen 3 had over comet lake at the time.

Yeap, only with rocket lake. Which came after amd patented the whole "more money for less cores" technology. If they keep it up with zen 4 their 6core cpu will cost 450 euros

Bencher · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:20

Joxeon said:
What's the price of HEDT got to do with anything when more than 6 cores wasn't needed before Zen 1.

Actually intels 6 cores were pretty cheap, back in 2014 a 6 core core intel cost 380 euros.

humbug · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:21

Bencher said:
Yeap, only with rocket lake. Which came after amd patented the whole "more money for less cores" technology. If they keep it up with zen 4 their 6core cpu will cost 450 euros

A 6 core Zen 4 will not cost 450 Euros.

Also, are we French now? Why Euros?

Bencher · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:22

humbug said:
A 6 core Zen 4 will not cost 450 Euros.

Also, are we French now? Why Euros?

Thats exactly what i said back in 2020. A 6 core zen 3 wont cost 50% more than a zen 2 6core. But amd surprised me, increasing the 6core price by 50%,so who knows.

humbug · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:24

Bencher said:
Thats exactly what i said back in 2020. A 6 core zen 3 wont cost 50% more than a zen 2 6core. But amd surprised me, increasing the 6core price by 50%,so who knows.

That's your reasoning?

Do you think AMD have any competitors?

uscool · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:31

Bencher said:
Thats exactly what i said back in 2020. A 6 core zen 3 wont cost 50% more than a zen 2 6core. But amd surprised me, increasing the 6core price by 50%,so who knows.

5600x cost 50% more than 3600x ?

Bencher · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:39

uscool said:
5600x cost 50% more than 3600x ?

It competed with the 3600, since there was no 5600. Names are what companies use to make you compare what they want to you to compare. Don't be a victim to marketing tricks. If their new 6 core is named 7950x and it costs 600€ will you be like "oh great, it's cheaper than the 5950x"? No, names are completely irrelevant.

Bencher · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:43

LePhuronn said:
And yet, now that there is a 5600 you have a fair and accurate comparison. Oh look, the 5600 launched at the same $199 as the 3600.

Yeap, now that there is a 5600 for the same msrp as the 3600, we now know without a shadow of a doubt that AMD is stagnating way worse than Intel ever did. It took them 3 freaking years to give us a 20% mt performance increase. That's as bad, probably worse than the famous intel stagnation era. But of course, no amd fan will admit it. Nope, theyll keep banging on intels stagnation when amd the last 2 years has proven it's way worse. Such a disgusting company

uscool · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:49

Bencher said:
Yeap, now that there is a 5600 for the same msrp as the 3600, we now know without a shadow of a doubt that AMD is stagnating way worse than Intel ever did. It took them 3 freaking years to give us a 20% mt performance increase. That's as bad, probably worse than the famous intel stagnation era. But of course, no amd fan will admit it. Nope, theyll keep banging on intels stagnation when amd the last 2 years has proven it's way worse. Such a disgusting company

at them 3 years what was the peformance of MT from the competition ? maybe that contributed goes both ways ??

humbug · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:53

@Bencher You would blame AMD for Intel's stagnation, correct?

Bencher · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:56

uscool said:
at them 3 years what was the peformance of MT from the competition ? maybe that contributed goes both ways ??

You mean back when intel stagnated? Almost double. 2600 to 4770k and 3770k to 6700k had a MT increase of 35 to 40% according to anandtech. AMD is stagnating If you know nowadays , there is a 44% increase between the 10400 and the 12400. Way bigger than the puny 20% amd offers