AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

[Roguey000]

5900X is like £360 or something at the moment.
That's a really tempting proposition.

But I'm on a 3900X, just going to wait for AM5, which is it due?

Ive been thinking the same, upgrading from an 3900x to a 5950x / 5900x.

But Im not sure one generation a bit enough leap? DDR5 being very new tech - im not sure its really offering much over DDR4? It will need some time to improve. Some say might be worth waiting for all the bugs of Zen4 to ironed-out.

These recent price-cuts are making Ryzen 5000 stuff quite interesting. Zen4 being a new chipset, socket and only a few months away (and Zen3 being old now). So any money spent on 5000-series stuff would put me that much away from anything new too.

hmmm.. help?

 

[Ravenger]

At that price I ordered one to upgrade my 3900X.

The main reason for me is I play a lot of PC VR and some of the games - mostly the conversions from 2D games - are really CPU intensive, and also don't make very good use of multi threading, so the extra 20% performance, especially on single cores should make a difference.

Also I do some video encoding so that should be quicker too.

I don't expect it to be a transformational experience like going from my 4790k to the 3900x.

I'll pass the 3900X on to my daughter and build her a new PC around it.

Another reason to upgrade now is inflation is kicking in and I doubt the next gen of PC hardware will be cheap. This upgrade should see me through for a couple of years.

 

[ChocAndGray]

5950x is already too slow so I guess you will also be upgrading to zen 4 later in the year ?

I bet you will find it hard to actually notice the difference when you actually playing between the 5950x and 5800x3d

I tend to burn money but this is my only vice.

The plan to justify it initially was if I could swap cpu's and make a bit of money on top I'd be ok with it. I was expecting to be at least £100 up. But with the way prices are going I'd have to add £100 to change.

How much is a 5950x worth used with the new prices? £350?

 

[ChocAndGray]

The 5800X3D hasn't un-proofed your 5950X. Come back in 5 years

I suffer from serious fomo unfortunately.

I also have an annoying habit of always buying more than I need lol

 

[Dave2150]

Amazing price cuts, these CPU's are a fantastic deal to those already on AM4.

I'm guessing the performance, platform feature set of Alderlake really hit AM4 sales. Wonder how much margin AMD are making on these, when you consider TSMC's price increases?

Perhaps AMD have seen Raptor Lake performance/price and are reacting early?

 

[Toasty]

Every version of Ryzen has had hefty cuts on the imminent release of its replacement, so they are probably wanting to clear as much inventory as they can.

 

[Vulture]

Amazing price cuts, these CPU's are a fantastic deal to those already on AM4.

I'm guessing the performance, platform feature set of Alderlake really hit AM4 sales. Wonder how much margin AMD are making on these, when you consider TSMC's price increases?

Perhaps AMD have seen Raptor Lake performance/price and are reacting early?

AMD had extremely good margin with launch prices, no wonder they had record profit year, better question is how much margin Intel have with ADL, completely new architecture and big/little so they had to spend big amount of money for software optimisations too, and with all of that their prices are lower than AMD. No wonder Gelsinger is unhappy, they can' replicate Zen 3 success, Zen 3 with high prices had top sales too.

 

[Roguey000]

so what do you guys think? I need some advice - you guys been great in the past;

I currently have a 3900x, and looking at the 5950x (due to the recent price drop). Would you keep the 3900x and wait for Zen4? or upgrade to a 5950x and wait for a few generations of Zen4/DDR5?

I can give my 3900x to other family member but id have to get a motherboard for it (something like Gigabyte B550 AORUS Elite V2 looks good to me).

Memory wise im fine; I have set of corsair memory (LPX 4x8gb 3200Mhz) and in my system I have Team Group 8Pack Edition 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit.

However £500+ now would mean no upgrade for awhile.

Or, should I do nothing?

thanks for any advice,

 

[HACO]

so what do you guys think? I need some advice - you guys been great in the past;

I currently have a 3900x, and looking at the 5950x (due to the recent price drop). Would you keep the 3900x and wait for Zen4? or upgrade to a 5950x and wait for a few generations of Zen4/DDR5?

I can give my 3900x to other family member but id have to get a motherboard for it (something like Gigabyte B550 AORUS Elite V2 looks good to me).

Memory wise im fine; I have set of corsair memory (LPX 4x8gb 3200Mhz) and in my system I have Team Group 8Pack Edition 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit.

However £500+ now would mean no upgrade for awhile.

Or, should I do nothing?

thanks for any advice,

I'd upgrade to a 5950X and then wait until DDR5 prices go down before upgrading again, so likely Zen 5.

 

[Troezar]

I'd upgrade to a 5950X and then wait until DDR5 prices go down before upgrading again, so likely Zen 5.

This. Keep it a few years and get a good upgrade.

 

[Joxeon]

so what do you guys think? I need some advice - you guys been great in the past;

I currently have a 3900x, and looking at the 5950x (due to the recent price drop). Would you keep the 3900x and wait for Zen4? or upgrade to a 5950x and wait for a few generations of Zen4/DDR5?

I can give my 3900x to other family member but id have to get a motherboard for it (something like Gigabyte B550 AORUS Elite V2 looks good to me).

Memory wise im fine; I have set of corsair memory (LPX 4x8gb 3200Mhz) and in my system I have Team Group 8Pack Edition 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit.

However £500+ now would mean no upgrade for awhile.

Or, should I do nothing?

thanks for any advice,

I think it depends on what your using the system for and whether you'll benefit right now from the extra cores / IPC.

 

[subbytna]

5900x is cheaper still. I know you have the 12 core 3900x but do you REALLY need the 16 cores? Would a better IPC 12 core again not be enough for you?

 

[Thumpsta]

Bit tempted to upgrade my 3900 to either the 5900 or 5950 due to the price drop but I dont think I need it.

My worksation deals with about 2/3 hours a day of Lightroom/Photoshop and the occasional video from a GoPro/Drone.

Falling into the nice to have v need to have.

 

[Roguey000]

5900x is cheaper still. I know you have the 12 core 3900x but do you REALLY need the 16 cores? Would a better IPC 12 core again not be enough for you?

thanks guys for all your advice, it is very much appericated!

the 5900x does look impressive - no doubt!

I do wonder about Zen4. Will it be a big upgrade over Zen3 do you think? and if so, do you think its gonna cost a lot more?

 

[Cyber-Mav]

5900X is like £360 or something at the moment.
That's a really tempting proposition.

But I'm on a 3900X, just going to wait for AM5, which is it due?

Multiple places got the 5900x for 345 inc delivery which does seem very good. Wonder how much they will be when zen 4 comes out. 2nd hand should be cheap

 

[Joxeon]

Multiple places got the 5900x for 345 inc delivery which does seem very good. Wonder how much they will be when zen 4 comes out. 2nd hand should be cheap

I wouldn't be supprised if prices of new zen 3 chips rise again when zen 4 is released similar to how AMD increased the prices of zen 2 before zen 3 released.

 

[Armageus]

I wouldn't be supprised if prices of new zen 3 chips rise again when zen 4 is released similar to how AMD increased the prices of zen 2 before zen 3 released.

Price of Zen 3 chips will rise, but it will be due to constrained supply - CPUs for "dead" sockets always cost more as stock runs out, as they know some customers will pay it for a "no hassle" upgrade of an existing system

 

[Joxeon]

Price of Zen 3 chips will rise, but it will be due to constrained supply - CPUs for "dead" sockets always cost more as stock runs out, as they know some customers will pay it for a "no hassle" upgrade of an existing system

I don't think it will so much as supply contrained as zen 4 will be moving to another process node but rather the fact that zen 4 would be a tough sell if the chips are going for twice as much as zen 3 can be picked up for when they release.

 

[Gibbo]

Hi there

Also its not a GPU, but the AMD Ryzen 9 processors deserve a mention as AMD are massively rebating us on them to sell way below cost:



AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Sixteen Core 4.9GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail @ £499.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/AMD-...Hz-Socket-AM4-Processor-Retail-CP-3C9-AM.html



100-100000059WOF, 16 Core with 32 Threads, 4.90GHz clock speed, 7nm FinFet Process, 64MB L3 Cache, Dual Channel DDR4 Controller, 3200-3600MHz RAM Recommended, 3 Year Warranty



Only £499.99 inc VAT.

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AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Twelve Core 4.8GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail @ £359.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/AMD-...Hz-Socket-AM4-Processor-Retail-CP-3CA-AM.html




100-100000061WOF, 12 Core with 24 Threads, 4.80GHz clock speed, 7nm FinFet Process, 64MB L3 Cache, Dual Channel DDR4 Controller, 3200-3600MHz RAM Recommended, 3 Year Warranty



Only £359.99 inc VAT.

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Again I think this is some of the lowest pricing in the UK.

 

[Roguey000]

I guess the biggest question; is Zen4 going to be that much better than 5950x? or are we looking at a kind-of ~20% increase? im guessing we wont see Zen4 any where near Zen3 prices atm.