AMD Zen 3 (Ryzen 4000) already in the works

Jamin280672 · 16 Apr 2019 at 05:09

As the title suggests, Ryzen 4000 is about to start production already at TSMC

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/zen-3-cpu-tsmc-7nm

bakes0310 · 16 Apr 2019 at 07:10

Wonder what it's gonna be like?

Mercutio · 16 Apr 2019 at 09:58

the 20% transistor increase for 10% less power is... interesting. That sets a reasonable "tone" for what to expect.

Jamin280672 · 16 Apr 2019 at 10:41

I'm actually reconsidering buying a Ryzen 3000 in June now, unless there is a very noticeable performance increase over my current 2700x then I may just hold out for a year.

orbitalwalsh · 16 Apr 2019 at 11:19

Jamin280672 said:
I'm actually reconsidering buying a Ryzen 3000 in June now, unless there is a very noticeable performance increase over my current 2700x then I may just hold out for a year.

hold out, should be like 2*** was to 1*** series . question is though. AM4 is DDR4 and 2020 is Ryzen 4000/Zen3 and DDR5 release...

beany_bot · 16 Apr 2019 at 13:27

Emmm... It's not "Zen 3" if its 7nm+ is it. Is just Zen 2 gen 2.
As the headline is all wrong I'll not apply much gravitas to the article.

LePhuronn · 16 Apr 2019 at 16:41

orbitalwalsh said:
hold out, should be like 2*** was to 1*** series

beany_bot said:
Emmm... It's not "Zen 3" if its 7nm+ is it. Is just Zen 2 gen 2.
As the headline is all wrong I'll not apply much gravitas to the article.

Well I said this myself recently, but apparently Zen 2 isn't getting a refresh on 7nm+, it really is Zen 3.

LePhuronn · 16 Apr 2019 at 16:42

orbitalwalsh said:
DDR5 release...

DDR5 isn't coming to mainstream users any time soon. What it does is when AMD will change socket (so post 2020).

Troezar · 16 Apr 2019 at 17:34

LePhuronn said:
DDR5 isn't coming to mainstream users any time soon. What it does is when AMD will change socket (so post 2020).

Not worth waiting for DDR5 either. It will take a couple of years to catch up with DDR4 speeds. PCIe 4.0 is more interesting from a longevity point of view to me. I upgrade infrequently, so fast DDR4 and an excess of PCIe bandwidth should keep me going for quite a few GPU cycles.

Jamin280672 · 16 Apr 2019 at 19:13

Troezar said:
Not worth waiting for DDR5 either. It will take a couple of years to catch up with DDR4 speeds. PCIe 4.0 is more interesting from a longevity point of view to me. I upgrade infrequently, so fast DDR4 and an excess of PCIe bandwidth should keep me going for quite a few GPU cycles.

Yes I agree, I think the socket change and DDR5 support will come with Zen 4 Ryzen 5, but I did read a rumour quite some time ago that with one of the Zen's, they were taking about releasing 2 versions, one to support DDR4 and the other to support DDR5, AMD after all did also say they would support the AM4 socket all the way upto 2020, so Zen 3 really should be the last one before the change over, however, I think DDR4 will still be mainsteam next year whilst DDR5 catches up.

AMD have done it before where boards supported 2 different RAM types, 2 slots for DDR2 and 2 slots for DDR3 I think it was.

MasterOC · 17 Apr 2019 at 11:38

Jamin280672 said:
Yes I agree, I think the socket change and DDR5 support will come with Zen 4 Ryzen 5, but I did read a rumour quite some time ago that with one of the Zen's, they were taking about releasing 2 versions, one to support DDR4 and the other to support DDR5, AMD after all did also say they would support the AM4 socket all the way upto 2020, so Zen 3 really should be the last one before the change over, however, I think DDR4 will still be mainsteam next year whilst DDR5 catches up.

AMD have done it before where boards supported 2 different RAM types, 2 slots for DDR2 and 2 slots for DDR3 I think it was.

Will be likely just one version as previous IMC on CPUs have had the ability to support different Memory Sub systems such as DDR3L / DDR4 and DDR2 / DDR3

pandem0nium · 17 Apr 2019 at 13:11

beany_bot said:
Emmm... It's not "Zen 3" if its 7nm+ is it. Is just Zen 2 gen 2.
As the headline is all wrong I'll not apply much gravitas to the article.

If it's a refresh yeah, the Zen2+ would make more sense.
If it's more of an architecture change like Zen2 is to Zen and Zen+ then calling it Zen3 would be fair enough.

I don't think it's all about the process node. I imagine we'll be on different iterations of 7nm for a few years.

4K8KW10 · 17 Apr 2019 at 14:37

orbitalwalsh said:
hold out, should be like 2*** was to 1*** series . question is though. AM4 is DDR4 and 2020 is Ryzen 4000/Zen3 and DDR5 release...

DDR5 won't come with Ryzen 4000, Ryzen 4000 will still be AM4 socket.

The question is if AMD will support DDR5, ever.

orbitalwalsh · 17 Apr 2019 at 15:06

4K8KW10 said:
DDR5 won't come with Ryzen 4000, Ryzen 4000 will still be AM4 socket.

The question is if AMD will support DDR5, ever.

its was highlighting no matter what companies say, longevity of their platform is outdated with technology groups pushing the boundaries.

AMD will adapt DDR5 as data centers will unless memory manufactures and push their own tech to speed up data handling like intel x-memory etc

plus it allows greater amount of ram per dimm instead of heaving to do double decker ram modules currently out for 2 Dimm slot boards

Scougar · 17 Apr 2019 at 17:00

Not resting on laurels..... Good.

4K8KW10 · 19 Jun 2019 at 12:26

Mercutio said:
the 20% transistor increase for 10% less power is... interesting. That sets a reasonable "tone" for what to expect.

Does anyone have more details about what to expect from next-year's Zen 3 besides 20-30% transistor bump?
4-way SMT? Larger GameCaches?

Jacky60 · 19 Jun 2019 at 13:15

If it's starting volume production surely it can't take a year to release. Will they spend a year filling warehouses with CPUs? Seems a bit odd to me.

4K8KW10 · 19 Jun 2019 at 13:17

But, when those new Zen 3 processors do arrive, we can expect them to offer a slight performance boost and a considerable improvement in efficiency. https://www.techradar.com/news/amds-zen-3-processors-to-be-built-in-new-way-that-improves-efficiency

Or maybe if fixed:

But, when those new Zen 3 processors do arrive, we can expect them to offer a sufficient performance boost and a little improvement in efficiency.

8 Pack · 19 Jun 2019 at 15:46

Jamin280672 said:
I'm actually reconsidering buying a Ryzen 3000 in June now, unless there is a very noticeable performance increase over my current 2700x then I may just hold out for a year.

waiting forever is usually the way!!!!

Jamin280672 · 19 Jun 2019 at 16:48

8 Pack said:
waiting forever is usually the way!!!!

True, however not so sure I can resist x570 though, it will still give me all m.2 slots at full speed with the 20 lanes from my 2700x and the 20 lanes from the PCH, ok it will be pci-e 3.0, but the nvme raid arrays will be blinding.