AMD Zen 3 (Ryzen 4000) already in the works

4K8KW10 · 19 Jun 2019 at 17:10

8 Pack said:
waiting forever is usually the way!!!!

I'm waiting for the moment when AMD will stop shooting themselves in the feet. When they do it, I'm jumping on their ship.
Also, the first generation (Ryzen 3000) on a new process (TSMC 7nm) is never the most optimal.

LePhuronn · 19 Jun 2019 at 17:13

4K8KW10 said:
I'm waiting for the moment when AMD will stop shooting themselves in the feet.

Can you stop crying about AMD already? You're disappointed with Ryzen 3000 pricing, we get it, but to become this massive, whinging AMD hater with literally the flip of a coin is quite irksome now.

Utterly grinding Intel into the dust over the next couple of years is hardly "shooting themselves in the feet".

4K8KW10 · 19 Jun 2019 at 17:18

LePhuronn said:
You're disappointed with Ryzen 3000 pricing

No, I am not. The performance is not good enough and the product positioning is not good enough. It's a mistake and you will see it soon.

LePhuronn · 19 Jun 2019 at 17:29

4K8KW10 said:
No, I am not. The performance is not good enough and the product positioning is not good enough. It's a mistake and you will see it soon.

So now you're dismissing the CES and Computex demos that you once lauded as all the evidence we needed that AMD were kicking ass just because...what, exactly?

OK buttercup, we'll see how things pan out...

Martini1991 · 19 Jun 2019 at 17:44

4K8KW10 said:
No, I am not. The performance is not good enough and the product positioning is not good enough. It's a mistake and you will see it soon.

While I completely disagree, I do find it funny how AMD's pricing has changed from their position of weakness and people aren't making comparisons to Intel.
£500 mainstream chips are pretty hard to swallow, but the performance is good for that price point.

Also, AMD's pricing will probably drop in about 6 months as seems to happen with their CPU's.

humbug · 19 Jun 2019 at 18:52

We haven't even got Zen 2 yet, Christ.....

jigger · 19 Jun 2019 at 19:33

How are Intel taking this?

Stephanie Peterson · 19 Jun 2019 at 19:35

4K8KW10 said:
No, I am not. The performance is not good enough and the product positioning is not good enough. It's a mistake and you will see it soon.

Look if you want to make yourself feel better, everytime you see a mention of Zen2 just pretend the "AMD" bit is "Intel" and you will be fine with being dry humped on pricing.

Everyone else, those without an agenda, well they dont squeal.

muon · 19 Jun 2019 at 20:03

TSMC has already started volume production of its next generation 7nm process; the first to incorporate its advanced EUV tech, and the node which should form the basis for AMD’s Zen 3 processors next year. The Taiwanese contract manufacturer started mass production of the 7nm+ process in March this year, which is a huge milestone for the technology, and it’s being used to create HiSilicon’s phone SoC, the Kirin 985. And if you don’t know who HiSilicon is, you’ll probably recognise its parent company, Huawei. Even if you’re not necessarily sure how to pronounce it correctly.

Original post does not compute.

Jamin280672 said:
As the title suggests, Ryzen 4000 is about to start production already at TSMC

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/zen-3-cpu-tsmc-7nm

jigger · 19 Jun 2019 at 20:11

4K8KW10 said:
I'm waiting for the moment when AMD will stop shooting themselves in the feet. When they do it, I'm jumping on their ship.
Also, the first generation (Ryzen 3000) on a new process (TSMC 7nm) is never the most optimal.

How so? AMD have dragged the industry out of the doldrums while reduced prices by half.

smilingcrow · 19 Jun 2019 at 20:35

jigger said:
How are Intel taking this?

With plenty of lube, blow, hookers and kickback cash!

orbitalwalsh · 19 Jun 2019 at 20:36

AMD have been smart with pricing. 1800x was expensive ! But was double the core count even if speed was slow and ram a nightmare. But for prosomers and streamers.. godsend !

Intel had to play catch up and then had 6 and 8 cores with speeds to match their pricing .

Ryzen 2000 fell in the middle so under cut pricing. It worked.

RyZen 3000 should be on equal terms almost so , time to match intel but just be a little cheaper to under it yet have good returns .

X570 pricing.. yeah nothing could be done with that and vendors don't make a lot of profit ... Have to sell a LOT of volume, which ryzen 3000 should produce .

Jamin280672 · 19 Jun 2019 at 20:37

4K8KW10 said:
I'm waiting for the moment when AMD will stop shooting themselves in the feet. When they do it, I'm jumping on their ship.
Also, the first generation (Ryzen 3000) on a new process (TSMC 7nm) is never the most optimal.

Well if you're upset about the price and performance, just compare it to the same version in threadripper, a 2920x 12 core 24 thread is £570, a Ryzen 3000 12 core 24 thread is going to be £499 and more convenient, it will be on desktop rather than HEDT, what's wrong with the pricing ? It's cheaper than the HEDT counterpart.

Tute · 19 Jun 2019 at 20:48

Martini1991 said:
While I completely disagree, I do find it funny how AMD's pricing has changed from their position of weakness and people aren't making comparisons to Intel.
£500 mainstream chips are pretty hard to swallow, but the performance is good for that price point.

Also, AMD's pricing will probably drop in about 6 months as seems to happen with their CPU's.

I personally do not see the 3950X as a mainstream CPU. You can't just call a CPU mainstream because of the socket. It's a number of factors, one of which is the price. And even though it is sixteen cores, the pricing is a bit silly.

Stephanie Peterson · 19 Jun 2019 at 20:50

Well the 9900k must be silly as well then, and as for intels past... larger non xeon stuff.. well it must be silly as well.
In fact most of intels silly stuff must be... er silly.

Jamin280672 · 19 Jun 2019 at 20:54

Tute said:
I personally do not see the 3950X as a mainstream CPU. You can't just call a CPU mainstream because of the socket. It's a number of factors, one of which is the price. And even though it is sixteen cores, the pricing is a bit silly.

Why not, a lot of people are running 8 core 16 thread CPUs now........so a 16 core CPU sounds great to me, with all that cache too, turn off smt (hyper threading) and just have a true pure 16 cores working for you, sounds like a great move by AMD to me, and you still have smt available to take it to 32 threads if you need it.

Martini1991 · 19 Jun 2019 at 21:16

Stephanie Peterson said:
Well the 9900k must be silly as well then, and as for intels past... larger non xeon stuff.. well it must be silly as well.
In fact most of intels silly stuff must be... er silly.

That was the universal rhetoric..............

humbug · 19 Jun 2019 at 21:24

Tute said:
I personally do not see the 3950X as a mainstream CPU. You can't just call a CPU mainstream because of the socket. It's a number of factors, one of which is the price. And even though it is sixteen cores, the pricing is a bit silly.

So what are you saying? the 2950X Launched at $900.

Do you want the 3950X on X399 and $900?

Or is it a good thing that 16 cores has come down in price on a more advanced architecture and available on a mainstream platform, no?

smilingcrow · 19 Jun 2019 at 21:40

You can tell the real fanboys as they get VERY touchy if you dare mention the price of Zen2 AM4 chips.
They are clearly still good value compared to Intel but that's not exactly difficult.
Compared to current and recent Zen/Zen+ prices they seem poor value if being objective.
But I think they are right to launch at higher prices although I'd prefer to see the 8C and under launch at 10% less which is hardly a damning comment.

I stated that 16C would be at least £500-600 with some saying it would be nearer £400.
Those sorts of people were hoping for a paradigm shift with AMD giving us 50 to 100 percent more cores at the same price.
These are probably the ones that are up in arms at the pricing as well as the Intel apologists.
It just seems like a very big step in the right direction to me with little downside; about 10% worth.

hominid · 19 Jun 2019 at 21:43

AMD has gone from a massive underdog with a rubbish product stack to a position of technological leadership and the prices reflect that. AMD has been through some very hard times and personally I'm surprised they are still around, any miss-step over the last 5 or so years and they could easily folded. They need need to rake in the money while they can because you know that Intel will get themselves sorted soon, it may take them a few years but they will be back and they could always use other fabs production(SS/TSMC) to get some 7nm+ parts out the door whilst they fix their disastrous manufacturing.

I've been an enthusiast for 30 years, and will continue to be so, but cutting edge PC gear is getting more expensive - you only have to look at the modern parts to see that it takes more of everything to make and thus more expensive.

AMD, for now, deserve the spoils for pulling off what they did, most of the people that are sore in this thread will probably buy on release day because they won't be able to help themselves..