AMD Zen 3 (Ryzen 4000) already in the works

[Tute]

So what are you saying? the 2950X Launched at $900.

Do you want the 3950X on X399 and $900?

Or is it a good thing that 16 cores has come down in price on a more advanced architecture and available on a mainstream platform, no?

I'm glad the 3950X exists but does it really have to come at the expense of sensible pricing?

 

[smilingcrow]

I'm glad the 3950X exists but does it really have to come at the expense of sensible pricing?

Which is exactly what Intel are thinking; why not make it a sensible £1,500!

 

[Temi_D]

We haven't even got Zen 2 yet, Christ.....

Was thinking the same...at least let Zen 2 go on sale first

 

[humbug]

I'm glad the 3950X exists but does it really have to come at the expense of sensible pricing?

Its a faster chip than the 7960X and £750 cheaper.

You don't have to go 16 cores if all you do is game, i'm going 3600, that's an 8700K equivalent for £200.

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

Lets just put an intel sticker on it, will sell like hotcakes.

Honestly its like some are just wanting to poo poo on the chip stack because its not made by intel.

 

[humbug]

Its a faster chip than the 7960X and £750 cheaper.

You don't have to go 16 cores if all you do is game, i'm going 3600, that's an 8700K equivalent for £200.

Actually i would rephrase that, its a 9700K for £200, given that's Intel's latest and very similar in performance to an 8700K.

 

[4K8KW10]

Its a faster chip than the 7960X and £750 cheaper.

You don't have to go 16 cores if all you do is game, i'm going 3600, that's an 8700K equivalent for £200.

Actually i would rephrase that, its a 9700K for £200, given that's Intel's latest and very similar in performance to an 8700K.

Are you really going this excrement?

Look, if you are only gaming, you need more cores because sooner rather than later you will be struck by the thread-count limit.
You remember the hardwareunboxed youtube video about which we spoke yesterday?

Look, for 200 quid, it's yours:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 Eight Core 2700 4.10GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £218.99

Total: £227.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)
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[Mercutio]

I'm glad the 3950X exists but does it really have to come at the expense of sensible pricing?

At what price would a 16c cpu at the top of it's stack be "sensible" in your eyes?

 

[Tute]

At what price would a 16c cpu at the top of it's stack be "sensible" in your eyes?

Personally I think making the most expensive $500 would be sensible. Maybe the 12c at $400 and then the faster 8c at $300. Then it truly replaces the current 2700X offerings at their price point whilst still giving the IPC boost.

And that's before I get started on Navi. I mean come on, Vega 64 OC'd performance for $450? Do AMD actually look at their OWN graphics card offers or do they just use a dartboard to price these things?

I am happy to admit that at least on the GPU side i'm quite an AMD fanboy as they constantly get their linux gaming drivers bang on. But that doesn't put them above criticism.

 

[humbug]

Personally I think making the most expensive $500 would be sensible. Maybe the 12c at $400 and then the faster 8c at $300. Then it truly replaces the current 2700X offerings at their price point whilst still giving the IPC boost.

And that's before I get started on Navi. I mean come on, Vega 64 OC'd performance for $450? Do AMD actually look at their OWN graphics card offers or do they just use a dartboard to price these things?

I am happy to admit that at least on the GPU side i'm quite an AMD fanboy as they constantly get their linux gaming drivers bang on. But that doesn't put them above criticism.

I think some people are too used to AMD giving their stuff away.

You're getting an 8 core 16 thread high IPC CPU for £330, that's compared with Intel's 9900K at £500.

The only criticism you have is that AMD are selling a £750 CPU on AM4 but you're ignoring what that CPU is, the closest CPU Intel have is the £1500 7960X but AMD's chip is faster, more like the £1800 7980XE, if the 3950X wasn't on the AM4 platform you wouldn't have a problem with it because you don't have a problem with the price of Zen+ Threadripper which IMO is really ####'ing idiotic.

 

[4K8KW10]

I think some people are too used to AMD giving their stuff away.

You're getting an 8 core 16 thread high IPC CPU for £330, that's compared with Intel's 9900K at £500.

The only criticism you have is that AMD are selling a £750 CPU on AM4 but you're ignoring what that CPU is, the closest CPU Intel have is the £1500 7960X but AMD's chip is faster, more like the £1800 7980XE, if the 3950X wasn't on the AM4 platform you wouldn't have a problem with it because you don't have a problem with the price of Zen+ Threadripper which IMO is really ####'ing idiotic.

499$ is the only pricetier where AMD gives more, a 12C with SMT vs 8C with HT.
At 329-399$ AMD gives only SMT
At 199-249$ AMD gives only SMT
At 149$ AMD gives 4C with SMT vs a 6C without HT
At 99$ AMD gives 4C without SMT vs a 4C without HT

All the slides from AMD
https://www.techpowerup.com/256660/...-anthology-ryzen-3000-radeon-rx-5000-and-more

 

[Mercutio]

Except everything above (and possibly including) is equal or better than the 9900k (single threaded, multi-threaded, streaming. Where do you want to plant your flag?).
We'll ignore that, shall we and just focus on cores and SMT?
Hang on... wasn't that what AMD were doing when they were loosing badly?

 

[4K8KW10]

Except everything above (and possibly including) is equal or better than the 9900k (single threaded, multi-threaded, streaming. Where do you want to plant your flag?).
We'll ignore that, shall we and just focus on cores and SMT?
Hang on... wasn't that what AMD were doing when they were loosing badly?

I doubt that. In the best case, there will be draws 9 months later after the original 9700/9900 release, and on a superior manufacturing process.
AMD isn't convincing in its statements, at all.

It's been proven that HT works not always and pretty often gives negligible performance uplifts.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-9900k-9th-gen-cpu,5847-7.html

 

[decto]

The article says TSMC 7nm+ process has started volume production on mobile phone chips, it does not say they are making any Zen 3 chips yet.

Non story here

 

[humbug]

499$ is the only pricetier where AMD gives more, a 12C with SMT vs 8C with HT.
At 329-399$ AMD gives only SMT
At 199-249$ AMD gives only SMT
At 149$ AMD gives 4C with SMT vs a 6C without HT
At 99$ AMD gives 4C without SMT vs a 4C without HT

So you're getting more for less.

I fail to understand your point here?

 

[Mercutio]

I doubt that. In the best case, there will be draws 9 months later after the original 9700/9900 release, and on a superior manufacturing process.
AMD isn't convincing in its statements, at all.

It's been proven that HT works not always and pretty often gives negligible performance uplifts.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-9900k-9th-gen-cpu,5847-7.html

That's the same toms hardware that can't decide who's making X570 chipset.... 6+ months after it's clear it's in-house AMD.
You're pushing a benchmark without AMD Ryzen 3 present... what's that proving exactly?
Here's a picture of a cheesecake, thus I win:



Let's see where AMD lands and what benchmarks become worth considering?

 

[humbug]

That's the same toms hardware that can't decide who's making X570 chipset.... 6+ months after it's clear it's in-house AMD.
You're pushing a benchmark without AMD Ryzen 3 present... what's that proving exactly?
Here's a picture of a cheesecake, thus I win:



Let's see where AMD lands and what benchmarks become worth considering?

I'd like some of your delicious looking cheesecake plz

 

[NinjaCool]

That looks so jummy!

 

[Martini1991]

Cheese cake is trash tier.

 

[humbug]

Still haven't got any of that Cheesecake