IMO the cheapest AM5 board with a B series chipset will still be more expensive than the AM4 boards, as it costs more to make a DDR5 board (higher signalling requirements) than a DDR4 board. The rest of our posts echo each other.
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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***
IMO the cheapest AM5 board with a B series chipset will still be more expensive than the AM4 boards, as it costs more to make a DDR5 board (higher signalling requirements) than a DDR4 board. The rest of our posts echo each other.
B650 mboards once out will drive zen4 sales
Its that simple.
ddr4 is dead like ddr3 is and ddr2 and ddr1.
why support old tech?
Intel is dead inside a volcano.
zen4 is the greatest cpu generation in human history
Edit: I am mainstream buyer and zen4 cost the same as zen3 did 2 years ago so, how is it beyond mainstream?
Eu is shafted as the dollar gone up.
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How is Zen4 the greatest CPU generation in history when the 6 and 8 core parts still lose to Intels cheaper year old ADL CPUs in MT?
DDR4 isn't dead infact a good set of tuned B-die will match any of the high end DDR5 kits currently available at less than half the price.
Tell that to Spiderman + RT.
More games will have that kind of disparity and RT will become far more viable with 4000 and 7000 series GPUs.
If you have a DDR4 AM4 platform the 5800X3D is viable. If you are on something different and want to go cheaper then sure, Z690/B660 with ADL / RKL is also viable but expect more large deltas between DDR4 and DDR5 going forward. The question is what is your upgrade timeline. 2 years or so and you are probably fine, if you want to keep a platform for longer though then DDR5 is starting to become a bit of a must.
There will almost certainly be a 7600 (non X) at some point and perhaps a 7500. I think these will come when the yields for Zen 4 on TSMC 5nm improve.I wanna see people running their AMD CPUs at 115C in their signatures
3600 upgrade thoughts again: On a sliding scale of sensible to crazy I think a 5600/5600X would be the sensible end. The AM5 price tag is too much right now, I actually lol'd when I saw motherboard prices, they START at £330 erm ok. I'm sure cheaper boards are on their way but damn.
There's also the possibility of an 8 core 7700 (non X) that could perform very much like the X version.
Also, many US states pay 0 or very low sales tax, so the prices are still seen as affordable.
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Reviewers don't tune B-die, for example my 3200/14 kit at XMP shows 73ns latency, tuned to 3800/14 it's around 52ns which is a massive difference.
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There isn't much difference in spiderman either. I assume you are wtaching hwunboxeds numbers. Yeah well, he running 3200 ram. The problem is the frequency he is at, not the DDR4. Wanna see spiderman RT with ddr5 4800c36? It's absolutely horrible as well.
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How much cheaper are we expecting those to be? If they are something like £50 difference and losing features too then not sure it's worth waiting.
You couldn't be more wrong.
They retain nearly all of the features.
It looks like the B650 boards will cost about half that of their X670 counterparts.
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That's why I said "if" as i haven't fully looked into the differences, only glanced over, but that's good to know. Worth waiting for then.
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That is just nonsense.
The impression I get, is that 8 Zen 4 cores cores ought to offer more than enough multithreaded performance for most.
If people need more, there's always the 7900X.
Personally, I think additional cores will scale better if they can build a CCX with 12/16 cores for Zen 5, especially in games.
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This really. Right now zen4 doesn’t have a budget option like Intels 12600k DDR4 launch (£248 cpu). New motherboard at £190-200. Old ram.
Nothing wrong with the CPUs it’s just the system price (motherboard RAM) currently holding them back.
I wonder if it's a problem of scale, maybe they aren't going to produce that many x670 /x670E boards, relative to B650/B650E boards?
They use the same chipset, but doubled up for x670.
AMD is probably limiting how many x670 boards are produced, to keep prices high.
en.wikipedia.org
The same 'Promontory 21' architecture is used on all boards, but they are doubled up on x670 boards.
Release date just 9 days away for the B tier.
Promontory - 'a protuberance on an organ or other bodily structure.'
AMD is showing off their e-peen.
Interestingly, it does look as though the B650 chipset + Zen 4 can support USB4 (v1):
They use the same chipset, but doubled up for x670.
AMD is probably limiting how many x670 boards are produced, to keep prices high.
Here's a little overview:
Socket AM5 - Wikipedia
The same 'Promontory 21' architecture is used on all boards, but they are doubled up on x670 boards.
Release date just 9 days away for the B tier.
Promontory - 'a protuberance on an organ or other bodily structure.'
AMD is showing off their e-peen.
Interestingly, it does look as though the B650 chipset + Zen 4 can support USB4 (v1):
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This diagram explains really well what you get from a 2nd Promontory 21 chip, in addition to a single chip:
• M2 NVME X4 PCIe v4 slot
• x4 Sata III ports
• 2 20Gbps USB type C ports
• 4 10Gbps USB standard type ports
• 4 USB 2.0 ports
• M2 NVME X4 PCIe v4 slot
• x4 Sata III ports
• 2 20Gbps USB type C ports
• 4 10Gbps USB standard type ports
• 4 USB 2.0 ports
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