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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***

humbug said:
What you can do is take an average from cross multiple reviews and compare that.
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You can do that & it would be wrong. If 99/100 all run built-in benchmark and you compare to the 1/100 which runs a custom scene, the outlier isn't wrong because 99/100 all get the same result. Aggregating data without discernment is not going to get you closer to the truth, quite the opposite.

To actually get closer to the truth requires active thinking & scrutiny on a per-review basis. There's no shortcut.
 
Poneros said:
You can do that & it would be wrong. If 99/100 all run built-in benchmark and you compare to the 1/100 which runs a custom scene, the outlier isn't wrong because 99/100 all get the same result. Aggregating data without discernment is not going to get you closer to the truth, quite the opposite.

To actually get closer to the truth requires active thinking & scrutiny on a per-review basis. There's no shortcut.
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Poneros said:
just because the game has a built-in benchmark doesn't mean they are using it.
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Userbenchmark are an out-lair for a reason, they also calim to be the only true and accurate data source for performance comparison. no one who thinks believes that. Its quite a thing to suggest the whole of the internet are wrong, that only you are competent enough to speak to truth.
 
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g67575 said:
Are there any games that the 7700X struggles with?

Haven't tried many yet

Gonna try disabling control flow guard (CFG) for TW: Warhammer 3. unfortunately despite being the 3rd in the series, the performance is not that great.
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That's my main game I was hoping to build a system around it that will play it at max settings at ultra wide, so that CPU don't cut it?
 
humbug said:
Userbenchmark are an out-lair for a reason, they also calim to be the only true and accurate data source for performance comparison. no one who thinks believes that. Its quite a thing to suggest the whole of the internet are wrong, that only you are competent enough to speak to truth.
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Except in this case they make the methodology clear (exact settings, cutscene, sometimes even a save-file where possible) & you can test for yourself if they're trustworthy or not (same for pcgh.de). Not only that but they have a forum where countless users do just that and can corroborate the data in their reviews. Every outlier is not the same, just like a pear and a lemon aren't the same even though they're both fruit.

You have to judge them each individually.
 
bakes0310 said:
That's my main game I was hoping to build a system around it that will play it at max settings at ultra wide, so that CPU don't cut it?
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Kind of.

Performance is good in battles, but CPU optimization is lacking (low utilization whatever CPU you use - unless a really old one). In battles, usually you will be GPU bound, but it depends on the number of entities that a present in the battle.

In the immortal empires campaign benchmark, there is a fair bit of stuttering, but it's significantly better than with my last CPU (10700KF).
 
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This is another reason I think to go 7700X. If the 3D ends up being 5/600+ then I doubt I'll want to change to it.
 
g67575 said:
Kind of.

Performance is good in battles, but CPU optimization is lacking (low utilization whatever CPU you use - unless a really old one). In battles, usually you will be GPU bound, but it depends on the number of entities that a present in the battle.

In the immortal empires campaign benchmark, there is a fair bit of stuttering, but it's significantly better than with my last CPU (10700KF).
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Thanks, I currently have a 6700k that plays the game pretty well with 2x AA. Think I'll hang on for next year see what's about.
 
Poneros said:
Except in this case they make the methodology clear (exact settings, cutscene, sometimes even a save-file where possible) & you can test for yourself if they're trustworthy or not (same for pcgh.de). Not only that but they have a forum where countless users do just that and can corroborate the data in their reviews. Every outlier is not the same, just like a pear and a lemon aren't the same even though they're both fruit.

You have to judge them each individually.
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I just put it through google translate.

Nowhere in it do they do any of that.
 
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What ram did you get? I got some Gskill but see OCUK don't sell it. So now I'm wondering if I bought some weird brand.


It is: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000MHz CL36 - Black
 
Noxia said:
What ram did you get? I got some Gskill but see OCUK don't sell it. So now I'm wondering if I bought some weird brand.


It is: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000MHz CL36 - Black
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No… G.Skill is a good brand, many peoples go to brand.
Don’t really get why OCUK don’t stock it ..guessing they have some tie in with Corsair
 
Well, gone is all the talk of Intel dominating with the 13th CPU generation. This was rampant when the (false) rumours of the 13th generation being a different architecture to Golden Cove were being spread around.

It may sound like I'm being critical of Intel, but they did manage to push their Intel 7 (10nm) process further than I expected with Raptor Lake (which wasn't part of Intel's original plan), which is the main reason people are buying these CPUs (it's not because of the cost, which is similar to Zen 4 CPUs).

It just didn't happen.

That's a good thing for all customers, and so is the switch to DDR5 RAM. If Intel decides to make their next desktop LGA socket last a long time as a result of competition from AMD's AM5 platform, that will be ideal for customers. It ought to be possible to engineer an LGA socket that can last a long time, e.g. the lifespan of DDR5 (which is the intention of AM5).

The cost of motherboards has gone up a lot, nobody wants to buy a new one every 2-3 years (probably costing at least £200), and many just want simple drop in upgrades, without having to spent much time in the BIOS reconfiguring their hardware settings.
 
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Noxia said:
What ram did you get? I got some Gskill but see OCUK don't sell it. So now I'm wondering if I bought some weird brand.


It is: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000MHz CL36 - Black
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Gskils is my go to every build. Great performance and one of the better looking I feel to others, although more are starting to look better last two years so not as much preference.

OCUK don't stock cause they struggled with the supply from them which is fair enough. They do seem to generally be a company that struggles with logistics to be fair. Just that isn't my issue to deal with.
 
G.Skill also my go to, had to source elsewhere this time especially as I wanted a no rgb kit! Managed to get a good price on the 32gb 6000mhz CL30 expo kit. Still waiting on my Asus Extreme board though!
 
^JP^ said:
G.Skill also my go to, had to source elsewhere this time especially as I wanted a no rgb kit! Managed to get a good price on the 32gb 6000mhz CL30 expo kit. Still waiting on my Asus Extreme board though!
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Was cheaper for me to order from NewEgg than buy anywhere in UK last time I ordered tbf.
 
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