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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***

Well Q3 DRAM price drops are now expected to hit 13-18%, up from the previous estimated 8-13%, so things are looking up for the DDR5 pricing to continue the slide it has seen over the last 2Q's.

This could put 32GB of DDR5 at £110-115 by the end of Q3, with premium parts losing an even larger percentage than expected. Signs can already be seen with certain manufacturers like Kingston having cut prices almost over night
 
Journey said:
Well Q3 DRAM price drops are now expected to hit 13-18%, up from the previous estimated 8-13%, so things are looking up for the DDR5 pricing to continue the slide it has seen over the last 2Q's.

This could put 32GB of DDR5 at £110-115 by the end of Q3, with premium parts losing an even larger percentage than expected. Signs can already be seen with certain manufacturers like Kingston having cut prices almost over night
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The new Kingston kits look decent, 6400 cl32, still not cheap but not too bad i suppose. Drop another 30-40 quid off and be better. Still expensive compared to DDR4 though.
 
uscool said:
out of interest I was looking at DDR5 and that was the one that caught my eye nice looking kit as well
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guaranteed to be Hynix, from speed/timing/voltage
also most Kingston memory is Hynix
Edit: actually no, they use Micron at 5200 and below and Samsung at 5600
 
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Perfect_Chaos said:
The new Kingston kits look decent, 6400 cl32, still not cheap but not too bad i suppose. Drop another 30-40 quid off and be better. Still expensive compared to DDR4 though.
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I think that G.SKILL Trident Z5 Series DDR5 6000 CL30 modules looks pretty decent. That's 10 nanosecond RAM, similar to DDR4 in latency. But, the best modules are only available in 16GB capacities at the moment, so pretty expensive. It's looking again like frequency > CAS latency in games, but it's still too early to say if this will be true for modules over 6000 MT/s (for Zen 4 systems).

The Kingston 6400 MT/s modules seem like good modules too, similar price to 6000 MT/s.
 
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g67575 said:
I think that G.SKILL Trident Z5 Series DDR5 6000 CL30 modules looks pretty decent. That's 10 nanosecond RAM, similar to DDR4 in latency. But, the best modules are only available in 16GB capacities at the moment, so pretty expensive. It's looking again like frequency > CAS latency in games, but it's still too early to say if this will be true for modules over 6000 MT/s (for Zen 4 systems).

The Kingston 6400 MT/s modules seem like good modules too, similar price to 6000 MT/s.
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Looking at stock speeds is irrelevant. Bottom line, samsung dies can do 6000c30 1t // 6200c32 maybe, hynix kits can do 7000c30. Mine are the Gskill 6000c36 ( samsung) running them at 6000c30 1T
 
Bencher said:
Looking at stock speeds is irrelevant. Bottom line, samsung dies can do 6000c30 1t // 6200c32 maybe, hynix kits can do 7000c30. Mine are the Gskill 6000c36 ( samsung) running them at 6000c30 1T
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It's really not, most people just want to pop it in and use their computer, hopefully for an acceptable price.

EDIT - I suppose you mean that it's worth knowing /finding out who produced the memory chips?
 
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So, the 7700X is definitely a thing, awesome:
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AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Zen4 CPU pictured up close - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Raphael CPU pictured Over at AnandTech forums there is a picture of the upcoming Ryzen 7 7700X CPU. The photo shows how the final version of AMD Raphael 8-core CPU is going to look like. This is the first time we are seeing laser engraving with proper AMD Logo and SKU […]
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Should see some reasonable prices on these.
 
g67575 said:
So, the 7700X is definitely a thing, awesome:
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AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Zen4 CPU pictured up close - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Raphael CPU pictured Over at AnandTech forums there is a picture of the upcoming Ryzen 7 7700X CPU. The photo shows how the final version of AMD Raphael 8-core CPU is going to look like. This is the first time we are seeing laser engraving with proper AMD Logo and SKU […]
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The Ryzen 7 7700X is an 8-core CPU with boost up to 5.4 GHz. Unlike Ryzen 9 SKUs, this model has TDP up to 105W. Earlier rumors suggested a retail price of 299 USD, the same price 5700X Zen3 CPU was introduced at.
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Really? Ok that would make sense if the _800X SKU naming is now reserved for the 3D stacked version, 7800X3D and $449.

But if that's true the 7600X can't be $299, it would have to be something like $249 at most.
 
Is it safe to assume that Zen 4 will have more L3 cache perk core than Intel's 13th gen? Alder Lake was 2.5MB per core (for the P-Cores).

Apparently, it's 4MB per core (which equates to the same amount as Zen 3).
Link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_4

Seems like the L2 cache will be the same per core, for Zen 4 and Intel's 13th gen.

You have to wonder why Intel hasn't tried to increase the L3 cache per P-Core much compared to the 12th gen, considering the benefits it conveys. I suppose it comes down to cost.

Apparently the max amount of L3 cache is 3MB for Golden Cove (but Alder Lake got a little less than that). Link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Cove

Presumably, Intel will push a bit beyond this with the 13th gen i9s, so I suppose you could say that's a worthwhile improvement?
 
Tee Hee Johnson said:
Cache isn’t everything.
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True. Suppose we will see if they announce anything new for the 13th gen boards, not expecting much though, cause Intel haven't said anything. I like how some people seem to think this must be a good thing :D

They'll probably get PCIE5, I imagine. Possibly for graphics too. I'd expect a similar spec to AM5 boards, with similarly absent USB4, in most cases.
 
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