*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***

[Journey]

Well Q3 DRAM price drops are now expected to hit 13-18%, up from the previous estimated 8-13%, so things are looking up for the DDR5 pricing to continue the slide it has seen over the last 2Q's.

This could put 32GB of DDR5 at £110-115 by the end of Q3, with premium parts losing an even larger percentage than expected. Signs can already be seen with certain manufacturers like Kingston having cut prices almost over night

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Well Q3 DRAM price drops are now expected to hit 13-18%, up from the previous estimated 8-13%, so things are looking up for the DDR5 pricing to continue the slide it has seen over the last 2Q's.

This could put 32GB of DDR5 at £110-115 by the end of Q3, with premium parts losing an even larger percentage than expected. Signs can already be seen with certain manufacturers like Kingston having cut prices almost over night

The new Kingston kits look decent, 6400 cl32, still not cheap but not too bad i suppose. Drop another 30-40 quid off and be better. Still expensive compared to DDR4 though.

 

[uscool]

The new Kingston kits look decent, 6400 cl32, still not cheap but not too bad i suppose. Drop another 30-40 quid off and be better. Still expensive compared to DDR4 though.

out of interest I was looking at DDR5 and that was the one that caught my eye nice looking kit as well

 

[alec]

out of interest I was looking at DDR5 and that was the one that caught my eye nice looking kit as well

guaranteed to be Hynix, from speed/timing/voltage
also most Kingston memory is Hynix
Edit: actually no, they use Micron at 5200 and below and Samsung at 5600

 

[g67575]

The new Kingston kits look decent, 6400 cl32, still not cheap but not too bad i suppose. Drop another 30-40 quid off and be better. Still expensive compared to DDR4 though.

I think that G.SKILL Trident Z5 Series DDR5 6000 CL30 modules looks pretty decent. That's 10 nanosecond RAM, similar to DDR4 in latency. But, the best modules are only available in 16GB capacities at the moment, so pretty expensive. It's looking again like frequency > CAS latency in games, but it's still too early to say if this will be true for modules over 6000 MT/s (for Zen 4 systems).

The Kingston 6400 MT/s modules seem like good modules too, similar price to 6000 MT/s.

 

[Bencher]

I think that G.SKILL Trident Z5 Series DDR5 6000 CL30 modules looks pretty decent. That's 10 nanosecond RAM, similar to DDR4 in latency. But, the best modules are only available in 16GB capacities at the moment, so pretty expensive. It's looking again like frequency > CAS latency in games, but it's still too early to say if this will be true for modules over 6000 MT/s (for Zen 4 systems).

The Kingston 6400 MT/s modules seem like good modules too, similar price to 6000 MT/s.

Looking at stock speeds is irrelevant. Bottom line, samsung dies can do 6000c30 1t // 6200c32 maybe, hynix kits can do 7000c30. Mine are the Gskill 6000c36 ( samsung) running them at 6000c30 1T

 

[g67575]

Looking at stock speeds is irrelevant. Bottom line, samsung dies can do 6000c30 1t // 6200c32 maybe, hynix kits can do 7000c30. Mine are the Gskill 6000c36 ( samsung) running them at 6000c30 1T

It's really not, most people just want to pop it in and use their computer, hopefully for an acceptable price.

EDIT - I suppose you mean that it's worth knowing /finding out who produced the memory chips?

 

[Joxeon]

Wonder how with zen 4 going back to 4 core CCXs it will effect latency.

 

[Dg834man]

Don't think the ccd's have changed in zen 4 just people are misinterpreting the article.

 

[g67575]

Hype train full speed ahead, choo choo!

G.Skill preparing Trident Z5 DDR5-6000 memory with AMD EXPO for Ryzen 7000 CPUs - VideoCardz.com

DDR5-6000 memory for AMD Ryzen 7000 systems G.Skill is said to be working on a new memory module offering 6000 MT/s speed out of the box. The company is preparing memory modules designed specifically for AMD Ryzen 7000 CPU. This Trident Z5 memory kit would be the first known product to feature...

videocardz.com

 

[g67575]

Molto costoso:

MSI X670 Motherboards Listed For Sale From 315 USD

The first X670 motherboards from MSI have recently been listed for pre-order on several Italian sites before their official announcement. The two motherboards listed are the MSI PRO X670-P WIFI and the MPG X670E Carbon Wi-Fi with all the sites featuring the same product details and imagery but...

www.techpowerup.com

'USB4 is nowhere to be seen'.

Board specs here:

MSI Global - The Leading Brand in High-end Gaming & Professional Creation

As a world leading gaming brand, MSI is the most trusted name in gaming and eSports. We stand by our principles of breakthroughs in design, and roll out the amazing gaming gear like motherboards, graphics cards, laptops and desktops.

www.msi.com

 

[g67575]

So, the 7700X is definitely a thing, awesome:

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Zen4 CPU pictured up close - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Raphael CPU pictured Over at AnandTech forums there is a picture of the upcoming Ryzen 7 7700X CPU. The photo shows how the final version of AMD Raphael 8-core CPU is going to look like. This is the first time we are seeing laser engraving with proper AMD Logo and SKU […]

videocardz.com

Should see some reasonable prices on these.

 

[humbug]

So, the 7700X is definitely a thing, awesome:

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Zen4 CPU pictured up close - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Raphael CPU pictured Over at AnandTech forums there is a picture of the upcoming Ryzen 7 7700X CPU. The photo shows how the final version of AMD Raphael 8-core CPU is going to look like. This is the first time we are seeing laser engraving with proper AMD Logo and SKU […]

videocardz.com

The Ryzen 7 7700X is an 8-core CPU with boost up to 5.4 GHz. Unlike Ryzen 9 SKUs, this model has TDP up to 105W. Earlier rumors suggested a retail price of 299 USD, the same price 5700X Zen3 CPU was introduced at.

Really? Ok that would make sense if the _800X SKU naming is now reserved for the 3D stacked version, 7800X3D and $449.

But if that's true the 7600X can't be $299, it would have to be something like $249 at most.

 

[humbug]

I like the new design of the lid, its different, it also looks chunky, i bet that doesn't bend when you clamp a cooler on it..... sorry.

 

[Journey]

Well the CPU is showing a week 26 manufacturing date, which was W/c 27th June, so they've been in production for a good while now.

 

[humbug]

Well the CPU is showing a week 26 manufacturing date, which was W/c 27th June, so they've been in production for a good while now.

It would fit with Lisa saying she wanted a solid supply of inventory before they go on sale.

 

[humbug]

Is there quite a lot of dust on the PCB? Looks like its been well used.

 

[g67575]

Is it safe to assume that Zen 4 will have more L3 cache perk core than Intel's 13th gen? Alder Lake was 2.5MB per core (for the P-Cores).

Apparently, it's 4MB per core (which equates to the same amount as Zen 3).
Link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_4

Seems like the L2 cache will be the same per core, for Zen 4 and Intel's 13th gen.

You have to wonder why Intel hasn't tried to increase the L3 cache per P-Core much compared to the 12th gen, considering the benefits it conveys. I suppose it comes down to cost.

Apparently the max amount of L3 cache is 3MB for Golden Cove (but Alder Lake got a little less than that). Link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Cove

Presumably, Intel will push a bit beyond this with the 13th gen i9s, so I suppose you could say that's a worthwhile improvement?

 

[Tee Hee Johnson]

Cache isn’t everything.

 

[g67575]

Cache isn’t everything.

True. Suppose we will see if they announce anything new for the 13th gen boards, not expecting much though, cause Intel haven't said anything. I like how some people seem to think this must be a good thing

They'll probably get PCIE5, I imagine. Possibly for graphics too. I'd expect a similar spec to AM5 boards, with similarly absent USB4, in most cases.