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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***

I didn't realise Vcache pricing has been announced already... for all we know AMD could release a full range of SKUs with Vcache for a not to dissimilar price than the current line up.
No reason why they would, the 5800X3D's launch price was $449, and the prices remain high. Zen 4 will launch 3-6 months before the vcache variants, it's not long enough for the prices to drop. L3 cache is expensive to produce.

Assuming an 8 core CPU + vcache competes or is ahead of the top CPUs from Intel in games, they will be able charge a lot more. Prices for Zen 4 are most likely to reduce near to/after Meteor Lake's launch.
 
I didn't realise Vcache pricing has been announced already... for all we know AMD could release a full range of SKUs with Vcache for a not to dissimilar price than the current line up.
Yeah but realistically that's just rubbish and you'd expect around 20-30% over the sister chip (if they dropped equivalent for them) although actually expect a 7800x3D as only option tbh.

If they slot it in as the "gamers" chip they could almost do it at $499 and slot it in the big gap they left. So yeah likely around that price point so compared to a 7600x would be huge difference at budget end.
 
I can only see 7800x3D being released with Vcache what really would the higher core SKUs Vcache gain in gaming ? it doesnt do anything for multi core workloads
basically in case you want the MT performance of the 7950X, but still with the additional gaming performance that vcache brings. They may be able to clock it 100mhz higher also.
 
basically in case you want the MT performance of the 7950X, but still with the additional gaming performance that vcache brings. They may be able to clock it 100mhz higher also.

How much extra is that gonna add to the price of the 7950x ? Unless they improved it they will have to drop the clock speeds
 
14th gen will be released end of 2023, there's been a 1 year gap now for each generation since the 11th gen. Intel has stated a few times that it will launch in 2023. It's possible the desktop launch could come later, in q1 2024.
 
14th gen will be released end of 2023, there's been a 1 year gap now for each generation since the 11th gen. Intel has stated a few times that it will launch in 2023. It's possible the desktop launch could come later, in q1 2024.
Yeah, Mass production was supposed to start early 2023 but has been delayed till end of 2023 now meaning release probably Q2 2024 with Sen 5 launching the same quarter or more likely quarter 3
 
Yeah, Mass production was supposed to start early 2023 but has been delayed till end of 2023 now meaning release probably Q2 2024 with Sen 5 launching the same quarter or more likely quarter 3
Seems doubtful, roadmaps suggest 'Intel 3' chips in 2024 (which I think is an optimised version of Intel 4, with more EUV layers).

So, 'Intel 3' chips should be going up against Zen 5.
 
No idea how reliable Trendforce is but others have reported the same https://www.trendforce.com/presscenter/news/20220804-11330.html
It sounds like they're just talking about Meteor Lake's tiled GPU chips. I would imagine that Intel would simply change the design (or process) of these chips, rather than decide not to release the 14th gen on schedule.

After all, to many people the integrated GPU will be an afterthought, and Intel is very likely to even offer variants without a GPU, as they have done since the 8th and 9th generations.
 
Lots of people will buy the cheaper B650 boards coming in October (probably 10/10/2022). It's not clear yet if there will be any significant disadvantages to this chipset (B550 didn't really have any either).

Typical price for these should be ~£150 (£100 for a low end B650 board).
 
Expensive motherboards - though new platform with complex double chipset designs for the high end, so to be expected.

Z690/DDR4/13th gen i5 will make most sense for the majority IMO, as this simply can't be beaten performance per £.

Very excited for reviews/release!
 
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