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AMD Zen 5 rumours
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Seems a pointless series of releases if performance has barely moved. Though it wouldn't be the first time a software issue on windows has been the culprit.
X3d should be interesting, as things stand it's not got a lot to do to make a decent showing given the (current) miserly performance boost on the standard cpus.
X3d should be interesting, as things stand it's not got a lot to do to make a decent showing given the (current) miserly performance boost on the standard cpus.
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Just over £400, they're a steal tbh.
If it is the Windows Scheduler i think AMD should look at developing their own, just work around the Microsoft problem like they did with Mantle, take them out of the equation by simply replacing their crap with their own through the chipset drivers.
If we are using HUB and Gamers Nexus as the yard stick, and it looks like we are, then for the most part Ryzen 9000 series is no better, or no different to Ryzen 7000 series, that's the complaint and it is a valid one but i have two things to say about this, one they were hugely overhyped to begin with, plenty of people warned against that hype and some people didn't listen, while despite this they still seem underwhelming i think how angry and upset these Youtubers seem about this is testament to how good we have had it over the last few years and how used to that we now are.
Up to now AMD have executed extremely well, 5 generations in a row of near perfect execution and this one didn't go as well as those, its not a disaster, the sky is not falling in, they are still very good CPU's and people should broaden impressions from more than just a couple of Youtubers with thumbnails that look like they are lifted from Youtube for kids.
If we are using HUB and Gamers Nexus as the yard stick, and it looks like we are, then for the most part Ryzen 9000 series is no better, or no different to Ryzen 7000 series, that's the complaint and it is a valid one but i have two things to say about this, one they were hugely overhyped to begin with, plenty of people warned against that hype and some people didn't listen, while despite this they still seem underwhelming i think how angry and upset these Youtubers seem about this is testament to how good we have had it over the last few years and how used to that we now are.
Up to now AMD have executed extremely well, 5 generations in a row of near perfect execution and this one didn't go as well as those, its not a disaster, the sky is not falling in, they are still very good CPU's and people should broaden impressions from more than just a couple of Youtubers with thumbnails that look like they are lifted from Youtube for kids.
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Its just odd what they doing with these, is it some kind of internal re-engineering for future platform development? As it stands its a head scratching moment for most users
Not watched any of the videos yet as no interest in buying anything for a while yet. But as usual nice to keep up to date on what's what.
Looking forward to AM6 platform myself. Looks like that is a good 3 years away though, which suits me fine.
The plan is go AM6 first gen CPU and theN plonk in whatever the final gen CPU is down the line. Between the two I am guessing 8 years at least on AM6 platform for me
Looking forward to AM6 platform myself. Looks like that is a good 3 years away though, which suits me fine.
The plan is go AM6 first gen CPU and theN plonk in whatever the final gen CPU is down the line. Between the two I am guessing 8 years at least on AM6 platform for me
That's what I meant earlier, if the Linux performance increase is 20% you would assume the UNIX performance will be too, so they are designing chips for servers, Sony, valve etc. Is that at the expense of Windows users, or is there something wrong with what Microsoft are doing.
I think it is more that people are testing more specific software in Linux, with a higher weighting of where these chips including the 7950s have always been strong, compared to the performance over a broader range of applications and gaming in Windows.
If you look at comparable tests i.e 7-Zip on Windows vs Linux the performance difference between the CPUs is broadly consistent.
There are specific types of software where the Windows kernel bloat gets in the way of these CPUs showing their legs but is isn't something which is hindering them broadly.
If you look at comparable tests i.e 7-Zip on Windows vs Linux the performance difference between the CPUs is broadly consistent.
There are specific types of software where the Windows kernel bloat gets in the way of these CPUs showing their legs but is isn't something which is hindering them broadly.
To put into context the 7950X delivered 52% better MT performance over the 5950X in the productivity tests HW unboxed run yet the 9950X was only 3% faster than the 7950X in those same tests so I'd say Zen 5 has been a disaster, barely any gaming or productivity improvements outside a few select obscure linux workloads and no real efficiency gains.
It'll be a laugh as Arrow Lake doesn't have to beat Zen 5, all it has to do now is match 14th gen at higher pricing within what 5% performance and they dont even have to touch power consumption as apparently this is the new standard for some.
If intel's Arrow Lake does better than Zen 5 I won't know whether to laugh or not..
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3%??
I need to get the popcorn out and watch one of these reviews later on. No wonder people are complaining then.
A Tsunami is a disaster, not having a reason to upgrade your 2 year old CPU is a slight annoyance.
And in the Linux tests posted, the 7950X is about 40% faster than the 5950X yet the 9950X is about 20% faster still. The question is why, the chips clearly have extra performance in them, just not it seems on the windows platform.
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2 years to get a new cpu out which ends up no better than the old one in the majority of situations isn’t a big problem right now but could turn into one, look at what happened to Intel when they failed to move forward, ok it was over more than 2 years but then AMD was much further behind in performance to Intel than Intel currently is to AMD.
I'll tell you what will happen, Zen 4 will continue to sell as well as it always has, so will Zen 3, who knows what AMD are actually doing with Zen 4, it may or may not run out of stock in 6 months, at which point AMD drop the price on Zen 5 and everyone switches to buying that.
In the mean time AMD have lots and lots of wafer supply to keep hungry Laptop vendors fed on a lovely diet of Zen 5 APU's.
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Its not as if AMD aren't concerned about it, but if you think they are panicked you're wrong, right now AMD's main concern if keeping Laptop vendors happy and they all use the same wafers. My advice to AMD would be, work on it, see what you can do, but don't sweat it and don't react to these Youtubers, just tell them calmly well lets see what we can do and walk away until you have a well tested solution.
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I need to get the popcorn out and watch one of these reviews later on. No wonder people are complaining then.
I don't think these CPUs are bad as such - the only negative really is that they are marginally overpriced for an iterative update, but hilarious seeing people trying to cope after the stuff they said about the 14th gen release and AMD has basically just done the same