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AMD Zen 5 rumours

Joxeon said:
To put into context the 7950X delivered 52% better MT performance over the 5950X in the productivity tests HW unboxed run yet the 9950X was only 3% faster than the 7950X in those same tests so I'd say Zen 5 has been a disaster, barely any gaming or productivity improvements outside a few select obscure linux workloads and no real efficiency gains.
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AM4 > AM5.. newer platform with faster RAM etc.. cant exactly compare the two.

Even GN noted this, guess you didnt watch his video though.
 
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humbug said:
I'll tell you what will happen, Zen 4 will continue to sell as well as it always has, so will Zen 3, who knows what AMD are actually doing with Zen 4, it may or may not run out of stock in 6 months, at which point AMD drop the price on Zen 5 and everyone switches to buying that.

In the mean time AMD have lots and lots of wafer supply to keep hungry Laptop vendors fed on a lovely diet of Zen 5 APU's.
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Maybe but for me personally as someone whose looking to upgrade this year its now looking like a straight fight between the 7800X3D and Arrow lake.
 
Didn't someone say these were originally designed to be on a smaller node, but that changed somewhere along the line? If true, that would probably have a large impact on performance gains. Not sure who said it but I've seen that comment in one of the threads on here.
 
Joxeon said:
DDR5 isn't accounting for 50% though, we already saw the difference ram made for intel which can use either.
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I never said it did.. but were you hoping for another 50% going from an AM5 CPU to another AM5 CPU?

Watch Kitguru's 9900X review.. Watch the 9950X productivity benchmarks in GN's video, I'm sure it works out more than 3%.

As for gaming, who cares if it isnt much of an uplift or its a sidegrade (X3D is for that without the need to pump Intel amounts voltages into it). A better GPU will bring better FPS than any modern CPU upgrade.
 
MyBrainz said:
As for gaming, who cares if it isnt much of an uplift or its a sidegrade (X3D is for that without the need to pump Intel amounts voltages into it). A better GPU will bring better FPS than any modern CPU upgrade.
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Gaming does matter because if the vanilla parts aren't seeing much if any uplift then the likelihood is that the Zen 5 X3D version won't be much of an improvement over Zen 4 X3D and they were the CPUs I was looking to buy later on this year.
 
Joxeon said:
Gaming does matter because if the vanilla parts aren't seeing much if any uplift then the likelihood is that the Zen 5 X3D version won't be much of an improvement over Zen 4 X3D and they were the CPUs I was looking to buy later on this year.
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Well if you need an upgrade you'd be best doing it now. With the 7800X3D not much over £300 at the moment.. when the 9800X3D drops we all know it'll come in around £499 going on current 9000 series pricing, with your suggested 'up to' ~10% perf increase, would it have been worth waiting for? Also any remaining 7800X3D's will most likely get the price bumped back up towards £379-£399.

I'm happy with my 5800X3D so wont be waiting but anybody waiting too long will probably wish they had grabbed the 7800X3D for that much lower price.

Roll on Zen 6 :)
 
What a disaster

AMD has told reviewers they have to setup windows to act like the 9950x is a X3D part, so that game threads stick to a single CCD and can't move around - effectively making it a 8 core CPU in games

But why are they doing this? The 7950x ran fine with just windows doing the scheduling across 16 cores, why do we need to lock down the CPU to a single CCD in games now, the 9950x isn't X3D

Well, ask you shall receive. Behold the reason why. If you don't park one CCD while gaming you will see a significant performance loss because the core to core latency in Zen5 is almost 3 times higher than Zen4

 
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MyBrainz said:
Well if you need an upgrade you'd be best doing it now. With the 7800X3D not much over £300 at the moment.. when the 9800X3D drops we all know it'll come in around £499 going on current 9000 series pricing, with your suggested 'up to' ~10% perf increase, would it have been worth waiting for? Also any remaining 7800X3D's will most likely get the price bumped back up towards £379-£399.

I'm happy with my 5800X3D so wont be waiting but anybody waiting too long will probably wish they had grabbed the 7800X3D for that much lower price.

Roll on Zen 6 :)
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Now is probably the worse time as most retailers have just jacked up motherboard prices for this new launch and the 7800X3D has also gone up in the past month and will probably stay higher for a while now with Zen 5 flopping.
 
humbug said:
Oh..... ffs.... AMD need to stop reacting to tech jurnoes, it was fine just as it was, its for people looking for a low power CPU, it has the option to run at 105 watts if you set it like that, if anything the should have just released a Ryzen 9700XT with a 105 watts TDP.
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Sorry it all rubbish honesty. Worst release in last decade of a CPU. Can't believe just how bad this release has been. It isn't just that.

It's not any improvement for desktop/gamers at all in slightest. This is genuinely worse than an Intel release in terms of performance/power usage. I am baffiled that anyone suggest what you have.

And to claim an XT variant when it really just a bad X variant anyways. I don't get how you can even defend this tbh. It's awful.
 
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