Problem with that is you would be waiting quite a while. They normally don’t come out until months after release if I’m remembering right. Even then they can be hard to come by.
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AMD Zen 5 rumours
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X3d Cinebench r23 leaks
9800x3d
Single: 2145
Multi: 23315
9950x3d
Single: 2240
Multi: 42375
That makes 9000x3d 10-28% faster in cinebench compared to 7000x3d
If these numbers are true, it means 9000x3d clockspeed must be significantly higher than 7000x3d, it's likely that 9000x3d is running the same clockspeed as 9000 non x3d; meaning AMD has fixed the clockspeed limitations of X3D, assuming these numbers are legit of course
It would also be another slap in the face of anyone who bought non X3D Ryzen 9000 CPUs lol; when a couple months later X3D launches and it has no downside and only upsides
9800x3d
Single: 2145
Multi: 23315
9950x3d
Single: 2240
Multi: 42375
That makes 9000x3d 10-28% faster in cinebench compared to 7000x3d
If these numbers are true, it means 9000x3d clockspeed must be significantly higher than 7000x3d, it's likely that 9000x3d is running the same clockspeed as 9000 non x3d; meaning AMD has fixed the clockspeed limitations of X3D, assuming these numbers are legit of course
It would also be another slap in the face of anyone who bought non X3D Ryzen 9000 CPUs lol; when a couple months later X3D launches and it has no downside and only upsides
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Not sure how much of a slap in teh face iut was. Anyone who folloows tech would have surely known the X 3D variants would be out sooner rather then later especially with Arrowlake on the way
Soldato
Another slap in the face will come with pricing again anyway, would not be surprised if AMD has still not learned and Intel come with very competitive chips.
Caporegime
Why? we all know they are coming.
Yes that's true, I'm more referring to the cinebench result suggesting 9000x3d has the same clocks as 9000, which is different to 7000x3d and 5000x3d, which both have lower clocks than non x3d models, so non gamers and early adopters could still buy non x3d CPUs and think they bought the right model because their use cases are not cache dependent and they just need high clock speed and multithread performance, but now that difference may be gone and non X3D models are simply a downgrade vs X3D.
Unless the X3D models get a price hike, then that would make more sense if they charge a 10-20% premium for the vcache. Currently that premium isn't there when I checked; a 7950x and 7950x3d can be found or the same price, and one has higher clocks than the other and one has more cache than the other but if 9950x3d is faster than 9950x in every type of workload then surely the price won't be the same, surely it will be 10 or 20% higher
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Caporegime
I see your point but again even AMD have said they have done some more R&D on their 3D Cache and there will be improvements this time round, people have speculated its no longer going to have lower clocks vs the none X3D, what else can it be?
There absolutely is a downside currently, X3D has a performance penalty for production type tasks that isn't just clock speed, from memory photoshop was the only program that was able to use the extra cache, all other programs were slower on X3D chips, which in turn are superb for gaming. I do get your point though, it will be interesting to see how the dual cache variant of the 9950X performs though it is hardly a slap in the face from AMD...
Agree, I thought about waiting but for my type of workloads so image and video editing as well as running multiple LLM's locally, X3D chips are slower.
Maybe with dual cache that performance penalty will disappear, until they bench no-one knows.
Arrowlake is the big question for me, but even if it is better Im getting such a big upgrade I am not sure I will care that much.
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That’s why you buy the 9950x3d. There is no downside.
The only problem with higher clock speed is the cooling. Let’s hope 90c isn’t the new normal.
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Caporegime
I'm close to finishing tuning of the 9950X in terms of optimising performance via memory, FCLK and Precision Boost Overdrive. The 9950X seems to have a lot of headroom for optimising the voltage frequency curve to improve performance.
System Specs
9950X
Asus X670E Gene
GSkill Trident 8000C38 running at 8000CC32 @ 1.67v
360 AIO Valkyrie + Liquid Metal
Windows 11 24H2
PBO Enabled, +200 Auto OC, x10 Scalar, + Custom Curve optimiser settings
Zen Timings
Karhu MBs
Cinebench R23
48992
GeekBench 6
3735 ST and 26536 MT
3660 ST and 26339 MT
CPU-Z
944 ST and 19096 MT
valid.x86.fr
Aida 64 CPU SHA3
12342
Aida 64 CPU PhotoWorxx
65711
Aida 64 CPU AES
773084
Next target will be 8200Mhz C34 which I think will be achievable with this memory kit.
System Specs
9950X
Asus X670E Gene
GSkill Trident 8000C38 running at 8000CC32 @ 1.67v
360 AIO Valkyrie + Liquid Metal
Windows 11 24H2
PBO Enabled, +200 Auto OC, x10 Scalar, + Custom Curve optimiser settings
Zen Timings
Karhu MBs
Cinebench R23
48992
GeekBench 6
3735 ST and 26536 MT
ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench
Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an AMD Ryzen 9 9950X processor.
browser.geekbench.com
3660 ST and 26339 MT
ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench
Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an AMD Ryzen 9 9950X processor.
browser.geekbench.com
CPU-Z
944 ST and 19096 MT
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X @ 5615.77 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR
[1fyu7v] Validated Dump by LtMatt (2024-10-05 14:44:43) - MB: Asus ROG CROSSHAIR X670E GENE - RAM: 32768 MB
valid.x86.fr
Aida 64 CPU SHA3
12342
Aida 64 CPU PhotoWorxx
65711
Aida 64 CPU AES
773084
Next target will be 8200Mhz C34 which I think will be achievable with this memory kit.
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Has anything changed in the way you test memory and Curve Optimiser?I'm close to finishing tuning of the 9950X in terms of optimising performance via memory, FCLK and Precision Boost Overdrive. The 9950X seems to have a lot of headroom for optimising the voltage frequency curve to improve performance.
System Specs
9950X
Asus X670E Gene
GSkill Trident 8000C38 running at 8000CC32 @ 1.67v
360 AIO Valkyrie + Liquid Metal
Windows 11 24H2
PBO Enabled, +200 Auto OC, x10 Scalar, + Custom Curve optimiser settings
Zen Timings
Karhu MBs
Cinebench R23
48992
GeekBench 6
3735 ST and 26536 MT
ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench
Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an AMD Ryzen 9 9950X processor.browser.geekbench.com
3660 ST and 26339 MT
ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench
Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an AMD Ryzen 9 9950X processor.browser.geekbench.com
CPU-Z
944 ST and 19096 MT
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X @ 5615.77 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR
[1fyu7v] Validated Dump by LtMatt (2024-10-05 14:44:43) - MB: Asus ROG CROSSHAIR X670E GENE - RAM: 32768 MB
Aida 64 CPU SHA3
12342
Aida 64 CPU PhotoWorxx
65711
Aida 64 CPU AES
773084
Next target will be 8200Mhz C34 which I think will be achievable with this memory kit.
Is it still recommended to use Karhu for memory and YCruncher for CO?
I had to use CoreCycler as well as a few others last time around to fine tune.
Caporegime
Yeah pretty much. Curve optimiser is just a case of testing a few different ST and MT workloads to try and test different points of the voltage frequency curve.
Skatterbencher has some good videos worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/@SkatterBencher/videos
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Hi LtMatt, have a new version of my RT program if you (or anyone) wants to try it.
Its a lot faster than before, Added an optimized BVH, specular reflections, direct lights and shadows and SSE instructions.
I also added a score.
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Caporegime
Will give it ago and let you know later.Hi LtMatt, have a new version of my RT program if you (or anyone) wants to try it.
Its a lot faster than before, Added an optimized BVH, specular reflections, direct lights and shadows and SSE instructions.
I also added a score.
Thanks. I will guess a score of 15.3 at 80% CPU usage. I get ~6.9 at 50% usage.
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Caporegime
What do I have to do again? What did I get last time can you remember?
It does not start to render until you un-check the stop render checkbox, then it renders until you check it again.
you got ~90ms last time but the code was very different and the triangle count is now 5x+ so last score is not relevant, although you did get > 2x my score so...
The rumors suggest a potential 9000X3D release date of late October. Can someone clarify what this means? Will this be more of an announcement or an actual stock with retailers ready to be sold date? If the latter, when do reviews / embargos typically get lifted? Thanks
No one knows but with Arrowlake due to launch end of October i expect a release of teh 9800X 3D about the same time (for sale)
Sometimes you get these weird preview / unboxing things that they're allowed to do a week or so prior, but usually the reviews are allowed only very close to the release, sometimes ON the day of release, or for the day before release.
If there's an imminent release you will see a lot more details, like the price (a retailer might put up their listing early) and spec will leak, the box photos will leak, one of the motherboard makers will have a BIOS update that gives the game away completely.
Based on the rumours I've seen, I'd expect the 9800X3D to be launching alongside Intel, but with AMD they don't usually have much stock, especially with the X3D CPUs which sell like hot cakes.
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