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AMD Zen 6 rumours
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I'd love to see AMD step up and release 16C CCD for Zen6. Problem is with no competition from Intel, they don't have to. I hope I'm proven wrong!
We can be 100% sure we'll see 16C CCD's on desktop from AMD as soon as Intel get their act together though. I'm sure the US government will give them a few more billion to keep them going - Intel is too strategically important to fail, so will release all the $ it needs from the Federal Reserve printing press.
Erm yeah, that’s some really interesting opinions. Intel has very much got its act together in every market that matters. Intel just need to resolve the issues with its manufacturing side of the business, but with everything that’s going on in the world Intel can use other people money to solve that problem and in the meantime manufacture as much as possible at TSMC which drives up demand for its own business. Its win win situation for Intel, especially with current government US administration.
Assuming Intel care about retail box sales and the DIY windows console builder market is a mistake. Intel know all but a tiny segment of the desktop market will lap whatever is on offer.
PCIE 4-5 is questionable on a desktop system and PCIE 6 is 4x the speed of PCIE 4. Could make for some nice motherboard slot layouts, 32 M.2 slots 128 SATA etc.
Caporegime
I think 12 core mainstream CCD Zen 6 is probably right, they are not C cores, i mean why would they go down from 16c cores per CCD to 12?
I think its more likely that with 3nm AMD are able to fit 12 cores in to the same space as 8 in 5nm, or 7nm, don't forget Zen 3 was 7nm, Zen 6C is likely to be 24 core CCD's, if not 20.
So yeah, Zen 6 in MT will probably be 50% faster than Zen 5, scoring around 65,000 in R23, which is mental, a 64 core 3990X scores that.
The next level is coming, RIP Intel.
PS: Arrow Lake is on TSMC 3nm, architecturally this is how far behind AMD Intel are
I think its more likely that with 3nm AMD are able to fit 12 cores in to the same space as 8 in 5nm, or 7nm, don't forget Zen 3 was 7nm, Zen 6C is likely to be 24 core CCD's, if not 20.
So yeah, Zen 6 in MT will probably be 50% faster than Zen 5, scoring around 65,000 in R23, which is mental, a 64 core 3990X scores that.
The next level is coming, RIP Intel.
PS: Arrow Lake is on TSMC 3nm, architecturally this is how far behind AMD Intel are
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Caporegime
I will add, i think AMD see Intel as out of it, plodding along on corporate welfare trying to pretend they are still #1.
I think AMD see the real threat as 'all this ARM stuff', they would be right in these assessments, IMO.
I think AMD see the real threat as 'all this ARM stuff', they would be right in these assessments, IMO.
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12core3D part with new memory controller/ I/O and RDNA4 GFX = takemymoney gif surelyI think 12 core mainstream CCD Zen 6 is probably right, they are not C cores, i mean why would they go down from 16c cores per CCD to 12?
I think its more likely that with 3nm AMD are able to fit 12 cores in to the same space as 8 in 5nm, or 7nm, don't forget Zen 3 was 7nm, Zen 6C is likely to be 24 core CCD's, if not 20.
So yeah, Zen 6 in MT will probably be 50% faster than Zen 5, scoring around 65,000 in R23, which is mental, a 64 core 3990X scores that.
The next level is coming, RIP Intel.
PS: Arrow Lake is on TSMC 3nm, architecturally this is how far behind AMD Intel are
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I'd be personally happy enough with a 12c X3D single-CCD chip, by that point (2yr+) games will start to give meaningful scale beyond 8c.
AMD will know that their support for AM4 with new releases has been a massive boon to the desktop market and users are fed up of replacing entire architectures each release.
An AMD PR quoted "we remain committed that the AM5 platform will be supported through 2027+". There's only been the 7000 and 9000 series on AM5. We'll see Zen6 on AM5.
I'm hoping Zen7 is on a new platform to take advantage of DDR6....really hoping as I am waiting for AM6 to upgrade and if AM5 see's 4 generations of processors like AM4 did then AM6 won't be here until 2028!
An AMD PR quoted "we remain committed that the AM5 platform will be supported through 2027+". There's only been the 7000 and 9000 series on AM5. We'll see Zen6 on AM5.
I'm hoping Zen7 is on a new platform to take advantage of DDR6....really hoping as I am waiting for AM6 to upgrade and if AM5 see's 4 generations of processors like AM4 did then AM6 won't be here until 2028!
Caporegime
I think there is a good chance Zen 6 will be on the AM5 platform, if not out before DDR6 they may offer it with a DDR5 IO die and a DDR6 IO or DDR5 and 6 IMC's built in to the same chip, like Intel did with Alderlake, this along with new motherboards, the latter will be expensive.
Having said that "we will support AM5 through 2027+" could just mean refreshed Ryzen 9000 series CPU's along side Zen 6 CPU's that aren't AM5 compatible. "we will support" is corporate speak that gives them that get out.
PS: AMD offered DDR2 and DDR3 IMC's with its Phenom line so you could drop them in either platform, so they do have precedent for doing that.
Having said that "we will support AM5 through 2027+" could just mean refreshed Ryzen 9000 series CPU's along side Zen 6 CPU's that aren't AM5 compatible. "we will support" is corporate speak that gives them that get out.
PS: AMD offered DDR2 and DDR3 IMC's with its Phenom line so you could drop them in either platform, so they do have precedent for doing that.
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that will never happen again, it was all down to a AMD rep **** up. AMD tried to block the first run of bards supporting the new gen of CPU's.
it will happen again in a heartbeat if they think they can get away with it
now that they are not chasing the leader anymore it is even more likely.
Doesn't make business sense to keep creating new platforms. I don't think AMD make money from chipsets. Technically yes, but often it's just to satisfy a somewhat niche customer base (for those that want loads of internal storage options / quad memory channel may be nice but negated by X3D??)
If you force a new platform on a user there is the risk they could go elsewhere. If you give them upgrade options they stay on the platform and buy a new chip from AMD and you can edge a premium out for old tech.
If you force a new platform on a user there is the risk they could go elsewhere. If you give them upgrade options they stay on the platform and buy a new chip from AMD and you can edge a premium out for old tech.