*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[DragonQ]

The 8 core chip is not gonna hit 5 GHz. Please be sensible.

 

[jigger]

Maybe not, but it's just as likely to hit those as not. Who knows. Let's wait and see.

 

[Mauller]

Wait for it.

 

[Wah007]

Over 5ghz. Now I don't believe it.

 

[AllBodies]

Yeah I saw speculation on this before, and it's a shame. I figured January was optimistic, but March is a bummer. Still, if it turns out to be at 6900k levels of performance for 30-40% cheaper (as rumoured), then it will be worth the wait. Intel won't have anything new to compete with that (Kaby is just refreshed Skylake essentially, and all 2/4C) so they may be forced to drop prices on Broadwell-E. Time will tell, but fingers crossed AMD nail this in the performance stakes. We all win then.

If it's got similar IPC to Broadwell, then even Skylake-X won't convincingly defeat it clock-for-clock and core-for-core.

So Intel won't have anything 'better' than Zen for at least 2 years.

 

[~>Dg<~]

haha

gets better every time you pop in here

 

[Martini1991]

Wcftech.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Nobody said it would be a normal CPU which would be hitting 5GHZ,though??

Even the FX9000 series CPUs,were basically very leaky examples which failed FX8350 TDP validation but could take a lot of voltage,but otherwise would be thrown away.

It would not surprise me if AMD tried a stunt like that and launched a high TDP model with leakier dies which could hit 5GHZ - maybe that hint 8Pack made about a water cooler being included makes more sense now.

It would make less sense for the standard model with a 95W TDP since the Wraith cooler would be more than enough if it can cool an FX8350 or FX8370.

 

[~>Dg<~]

yes did look at what 8pack said with maybe launching with aio like before.

soon see anyway. 6ghz should be soon.onwards and upwards !

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This was posted last month on Hexus:

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/99400-amd-zen-chips-debut-17th-january-chinese-mobo-maker/

MAXSUN is one of the motherboard partners AMD has in China. Having said that,they said 4.2GHZ for "normal" overclock for their ES.

Interestingly they mention the CPU they have has the same frequencies as the ES Canard PC tested. OTH,Lisa Su said they were launching at 3.4GHZ+ for Ryzen.

It makes me wonder whether the delay is to boost clockspeeds higher.

 

[Tee Hee Johnson]

I cant read that...

 

[Legend]

I cant read that...

Chinese for 5Ghz is the same as English. It is even spelled the same. 5Ghz. Maybe they say it different in Scotland. Feeeve Giigghuts perhaps... so I can understand the confusion.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I cant read that...

Something about normal overclock being 4.2GHZ and 5GHZ with more extreme cooling. But their ES has the same clockspeeds,as what CanardPC tested. However,AMD said that the 8C/16T Ryzen is launching at 3.4GHZ so it makes me wonder whether they have delayed it to get clockspeeds up.

We will have to wait and see,but even 4GHZ+ is far better than many of us expected with GF 14NM.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/5k011c/roman_hartung_aka_der8auer_comment_after_he_was/

This chap is a well know overclocker and works for Caseking:

He was asked in twitch chat:" Got your hands on AM4 yet?"

Answer:" Yes. Obviously - I can't tell you to much, but from a price/performance point of view it is really good. I can recommend what Zen will bring."

He also mentioned if you had a Core i7 6900K already you would not find much gains too.

 

[Tee Hee Johnson]

Chinese for 5Ghz is the same as English. It is even spelled the same. 5Ghz. Maybe they say it different in Scotland. Feeeve Giigghuts perhaps... so I can understand the confusion.

I liked this!

 

[Silent_Scone]

He also mentioned if you had a Core i7 6900K already you would not find much gains too.

He said from the X99 platform.


Blender is threaded extremely well. It depends entirely on your workload whether this is appealing price dependent.
http://i.imgur.com/Lbx7Kvv.jpg


If a 6850K at 4.4Ghz can render the same file only 2.6 seconds slower with 2 cores and 4 threads less in an ideally threaded workload...then it needs to overclock like actual hell. Especially if your workload consists of mostly gaming.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Ryzen delidded:

http://www.bitsandchips.it/52-engli...confirmed-am4-cpus-will-have-the-ihs-soldered

The CPU does not look that big.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The average overclock of the Core i7 6800k is 4.2ghz based on over 2200 submissions on HWBot:

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_6800k/

The Core i7 6900k is 4.35ghz based on just over a 1000 submissions:

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_6900k/

These include water cooling too and other more extreme forms of cooling.

 

[Bonjour]

He said from the X99 platform.


Blender is threaded extremely well. It depends entirely on your workload whether this is appealing price dependent.

*snip*

If a 6850K at 4.4Ghz can render the same file only 2.6 seconds slower with 2 cores and 4 threads less in an ideally threaded workload...then it needs to overclock like actual hell. Especially if your workload consists of mostly gaming.

What's the stock speed on a 6850k?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

What's the stock speed on a 6850k?

3.6GHZ to 3.8GHZ it seems.

 

[Bonjour]

Not the best comparison, then, even taking into account the extra cores / threads.

The 6850k is already heavily overclocked and still slower by a reasonable margin.