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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Legend said:
The only way you are going to beat a top end air cooler such as the D15 is to go custom. AIOs are very cleverly marketed and people get suckered in all the time, but there is no real benefit other than the aesthetic. I totally get that though, and having a big hunk of cooler (and they are BIG) hanging off your mobo isn't what everyone wants. It dominates visually and if you're moving your system around a lot, I can see the concern... not that I've ever heard of one causing damage. You hear about AIOs leaking, so that has to be factored in. Custom loops aren't cheap, but a CPU only one is much cheaper (probably a £200 saving or thereabouts), and will offer better reliability and the ultimate in cooling and low noise performance... if done right of course. Yes it costs, but the best always does. :)
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Ultimately it all depends on ventilation of the case, the cooler is only one part of the equation, you can have a £150 AIO in a rubbish case with no ventilation and airflow which is bested by a £35 air cooled heatsink in a good case with sorted airflow. Mine pictured above has three 120mm low speed exhaust fans above and behind it and two 140 intakes at the case front.
 
I totally get the argument that they take up less room and that may well be the deciding factor for those with smaller cases. Personally I'm only going to be using a custom heatsink/fan combo on my main rig, which will always be a full ATX case with enough room for a big air cooler. My new desk has a space to fit two full towers inside so I wouldn't gain much from getting a smaller case in the future either. A larger, quieter case is better for me than a smaller, noisier one. That isn't going to be true for all use cases, which is fair enough.
 
SiDeards73 said:
I think aesthetically they are better, they look neater, their performance is within the area of the top air coolers, plus you dont feel worried that your stressing the mobo with the weight of the cooler, only real worry is that they may leak, however i think most if not all AIO manufacturers cover damage to your components if their AIO leak?
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Is there any evidence that big air coolers can potentially stress or do damage to the board if it is secured correctly? I get that it's a big chunk of metal hanging from the side but I've seen DH-14s attached to some pretty cheap boards for 4-5 years now and there doesn't appear to be any signs of wear.

I think replacements from AIO damage depend on how it happened and vendor. I've seen some people come away with horror stories where their pipe leaked while on and the vendor refused to replace but then I've seen the exact opposite happen. There's definitely no hardwritten outcome.

Personally I'll take a big air cooler over an AIO for the quieter noise output and not having to worry about pumps dying or any leaking. I feel like if you want to venture into liquid cooling then a custom loop should be the next step but AIOs are getting better and better every year, they're so much easier on the eyes and things like the NZXT Kraken X52 are an amazing looking piece of hardware.
 
mmj_uk said:
Zen requires a cooler? :p
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That's ********. I expect it to run at 50c load at 5.2GHz, passively. It also shouldn't be more than £199. It should also come with a script that periodically reminds Kabylake users that they bought the wrong CPU.

I don't think that's too much to ask, do you?
 
humax said:
I come here to read about Zen not coolers.

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There is nothing more to read until more info is released. We are patiently waiting. Until then we are passing time talking about other related things, as you do. Something has to fill the void. Come on AMD...! ;)
 
was going to make a snarky comment about how ZEN won't need a cooler because its so efficient, but that got me to thinking... How many times have people bought 6600k or 6700ks without realising it needed a cooler. And how many of them tried running them without coolers? Makes me shudder thinking about it. There have got to be cases of people walking into to high street shop asking why the computer they put together doesn't work.
 
StarShock said:
was going to make a snarky comment about how ZEN won't need a cooler because its so efficient, but that got me to thinking... How many times have people bought 6600k or 6700ks without realising it needed a cooler. And how many of them tried running them without coolers? Makes me shudder thinking about it. There have got to be cases of people walking into to high street shop asking why the computer they put together doesn't work.
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I had to do deal with this yesterday

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/NhhCD

There was another picture where he placed the backplate on top of the CPU.
 
Disco_P said:
I had to do deal with this yesterday

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/NhhCD

There was another picture where he placed the backplate on top of the CPU.
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10/10 for "all the gear, no idea".

One of my mates was recently telling me he has no cooler on his PC 5 years after it's initial build, and zero issues. I don't not believe him as such, because I can't imagine any scenario where he would actually push his PC. And it's been in storage for at least 3 of those 5 years.
 
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