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Well we have no choice do we. What's the alternative? Revolution? Moaning doesn't get us anywhere.
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Go without is going to have to be the alternative.
8% might be a best case scenario but I haven't seen a single suite of benchmarks that shows Skylake 8% faster than Broadwell clock-for-clock. Got any sources?
£/$ is bad now, and yes, Brexit is to blame for that, but it's hardly the end of the world. Long term implications and effects of Brexit may actually benefit us all and who knows where things will be in a few years time. Even the best economic professors in the land can't answer that, but it MAY actually be a good thing. We shall just have to wait and see. Doom, gloom and 'I told you so' is hardly productive. Let's just suck it up and keep on overclockin'!
I'm afraid I don't share your Utopian post Brexit view of the future happening any time soon.
Technology/photography is my enjoyment in life, I neither drink nor smoke, so what disposable income I did have to save and spend goes on tech that I enjoy.
But I live in the here and now as that's the only reality there is to deal with. Thankfully I have savings to lessen the impact, but any savings that I'd earmarked for luxury items will now have to be eaten into as a buffer for higher than expected increases in gas, electric, fuel, and food prices instead.
Totally untrue. What is relevant to most on this forum is the price in GBP. Obviously in a general sense the dollar price is what matters but that's not what we pay for our tech.
People are right to complain about pricing - saying that Intel's top mainstream SKU is the same price it's always been (taking into account inflation) is all well and good but it is more expensive for us because of the weak pound. Just because it's not the retailers' faults doesn't mean it's not more expensive.
You can't deny that it's a relevant factor when people are considering upgrading their rigs. I am asked to pay far more now than I did however many years ago for something that is barely any better, and there are lots of people in that same boat.
Wages haven't stagnated because of Brexit though, that's been happening for a long time. In the US wages have been stagnant since the '80s or something. Not sure about here but certainly since the great recession average wages haven't increased (compared to inflation). Yet the richest of the rich continue to greatly expand their wealth, funny that huh?
He's right ^^^^^ so called "trickle down capitalism" is myth, especially in the last decade, those with the means to accumulate wealth for themselves will do exactly that.
A classic example of that, rail fares go up, those with investments in rail gain more wealth, the service gets worse. commuters get poorer.
A classic example of that, rail fares go up, those with investments in rail gain more wealth, the service gets worse. commuters get poorer.
This whole brexit thing and paying more on stuff seems a joke though. I know we import a lot of produce into this country ive not noticed a 30% increase on prices in the supermarket so why is there a massive increase on computer hardware? Lets be honest there is a bit of gouging going on in the UK where computer hardware is concerned. Not to mention your paying more tax ontop because prices are more. Xbox or PS4 prices not jumped considerably. Nor does the PS4 pro cost a arm and leg more than what it should. Its almost 1$ = 1£ for pc hardware. Not far off anyway.
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This launch from Intel is probably the first proper PC component launch we've had since the vote.
There's probably a lot of subsidising going around in industries at the moment.
And the prices on the consoles are a bit all over the place if you compare amazon.com to amazon.co.uk. I guess a lot of it depends on how old the stock is.
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With reference to supermarket prices, I'm assuming you mean food etc? If so you wont see a 20/30% initial increase in cost because not all of the ingredients for said item would be imported against the dollar. 50% of the ingredients might be locally sourced etc meaning less of an impact on sale prices. Secondly ingredients/produce imported in £/euro hasn't seen such a dramatic drop as £/$
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Because in the end all your moaning does not change the fact most tech is price in USD or Yen,and lots of other tech has also started to go up. Some of us also have other hobbies outside just building computers.
In the end your moaning changes nothing - unless you can find some magical way to make exchange rates improve,you will be stuck with increased pricing.
Yet,despite the increased pricing I expect many on this forum will find a new CPU or GPU far more affordable than many enthusiasts in the rest of the world,where relative prices are far worse(or even actual prices when they get paid less).
Nobody wants higher prices,but in the end its the way things are going at least for the short term.
The exchange rates are not good due to the uncertainty and its not helped by all the blasted infighting by the political parties which is making us look weak and disorganised.
You want to moan - moan at our politicians and our media.
I never said it was anything to do with Brexit though??
Read the rest of that bit you quoted. You might want to realise why we have hit this juncture and it is short-termism in UK politics and industry,and a media which is essentially controlled by a few who determine the narrative that most people read with increasing amounts of sensationalism over the last few decades.
Anyway,I had enough arguing about all this - not even our government or the rest of the parties seem to have a clue on how to handle things,which does not inspire much if any confidence on whether they will not screw it all up and then pass the buck to the next government.
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Hmm so why were consoles the cheapest they've ever been over Christmas then? Prices aren't this magical fixed property that only changes with exchange rate. Part of the problem in this specific case is Intel refusing to lower prices due to lack of competition.
I am fully aware how awful the media and politicians are.
Most international products have different prices in different countries, thus different profit margins are made per sale in different countries. For some reason this doesn't seem to be the case for computer components and instead we're all just told that prices are higher because the pound is weaker.
Interestingly I remember when it used to be the other way around - when it was $2 per £1, people often complained that we were paying too much even after taking VAT into account (e.g. something might've cost $300 and over here it was still over £200). I wonder if back then the whole "different markets, different prices" excuse was actually used by corporations, the same corporations who turn around and say "the pound is weak, what can we do?"
The UK and US both have similar wage levels so it's not like a deal between the US and China or something, but generally free trade deals are terrible for most people. It just results in outsourcing of jobs and a race to the bottom. Corporations profit hugely because they can make stuff really cheaply and still sell it at huge margins in richer economies (see Apple as an example). Ordinary workers, on the other hand, suffer.
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Ye Dogs, NO - swap them for $$$'s.
The EU is toast one way or another within 2 years and the Euro is toast with it. The $ will be the last to fall, but £ is a far better long term hold than €.
Britons wanted out of the EU, we're being punished for it, what a surprise.
The EU will have fallen to bits anyway by itself before Brexit happens in any meaningful way.
Suck it up for a few years or emigrate.
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Interesting video.
Sorry if it's already been posted.
Sorry if it's already been posted.
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It's a shame they do not tell us the ram speeds for the ddr4, They seems to be where Skylake gets an advantage. This is the first review with such results, Usually the 6700k has a decent advantage over older 4 core i7's.
EDIT: They do on the set-up page and the ddr4 is running at 2133mhz which is slow ddr4.
I don't want to turn this into another Brexit thread, but the EU is not going to fold in the next two years. It is an opinion that appears to be prevalent amongst many leave voters, as for some strange reason they feel it vindicates their decision / views. Not content with dragging the UK out of the EU, they want to see the whole thing burn, just so the rest of Europe can't benefit from something we no longer can.
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Maybe because some of these things have been bought in bulk at better exchange rates??
Lots of countries in the world have suffered currency devaluations and prices have gone up - talk to some people from other countries and see what has happened,so I am not sure why some here think the UK is some special case.
If you are going on like this,you are going to get more and more annoyed and more and more depressed about things.
Once we can actually sort things out,and there is more confidence the pound might stabilise at a higher rate(or not),but at least for the period ahead the uncertainty is not helping.
You might want to look at other stuff like cameras,where the new ones are coming at much higher GBP rates,due to a combination of increased Yen price and worse GBP rates too,and since some of these are lower volume items,even the older models are having price increases as new stock lands.
Its why some of the EOL deals on old models of cameras and lenses are very good bargains - I managed to pick up an XT10 for the family,and if the XT20 replaces it at the same RRP,pricing could be OVER double what we paid if the pound drops to the same value as the dollar(I am hoping it does not).
You can ignore it as much as you want,look at the price of a Intel Core i7 - the USD prices have hardly changed.
Hexus listed the Core i7 4770K at $339:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/85193-intel-core-i7-6700k-14nm-skylake/
The Core i7 6700K is $350.
Its easy to check pricing on sites like camelcamelcamel for a certain large company who sells loads of items.
The Core i7 4770K was around the £250 to £260 mark for most of its lifespan.
The exchange rate was around $1.55 to £1(on average) in 2013. With VAT,that would make the Core i7 4770K around £260 .
Now the exchange rate is $1.23 to £1. So $350 is now around £341.
The Core i7 7700K RRP is $339 to $350.
OcUK has the Core i7 7700K for £340:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-62f-in.html
So maybe a few quid more(like just under £10) more than a direct conversion,but I expect US and UK import taxes and duties,and business costs are not exactly the same.
Anyway,I am not going to argue anymore as this is the Ryzen rumours thread and none of this is Ryzen rumours.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10968...w-review-the-new-stock-performance-champion/8
they use 2400 in that review
The only thing re pricing that I would consider is do I want to buy it at that price and is it good value re. the competition and for what I need or want.
I do not really care what the rest of the world is buying it at. I am not in the rest of the world, I am in the UK. There are pros and cons with being here, overall the pros outweigh the cons by a good margin.
I do not really care what the rest of the world is buying it at. I am not in the rest of the world, I am in the UK. There are pros and cons with being here, overall the pros outweigh the cons by a good margin.