I thought the CPU had 16 and chipset brung another 4 to the table making total amount of lanes 20.
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I thought the CPU had 16 and chipset brung another 4 to the table making total amount of lanes 20.
Soldato
skylake has 16 pcie 3 lanes , Z170 gives another 20 pcie 3 lanes (Z97 only has 8 extra lanes)
2011 cpu`s have 28 pcie 3 lanes BUT X99 chipset only gives another 8 extra ;
AMD AM3+ pcie lanes are all from the chipset - 38 for the 990FX , but they are all PCIE2
Soldato
a) 8pack has Kaby Lake bundles to sell just now. Telling everyone how great Ryzen is may not help that cause.
b) If Ryzen doesn't surpass 8.722GHz on LN2 on all cores, it will be a failure as far as he's concerned.
Soldato
lol.
Got to say, from everything I've seen I think the 7700k is the single best gaming CPU, and I don't think the Ryzens are going to have the IPC/clock speed to challenge it. My hope is that it will have a low enough price point for the 4 or 6 core to at least ask some questions of it, and the 8 core priced low enough to make the x99 stuff largely irrelevant.
Kinda getting tired of waiting though. With Kabylake we didn't get confirmation of release dates until the minute it was released, which made sense as they didn't want to tank skylake sales. But for Ryzen the earlier they can tell us stuff the better for them. And I'd really like them to realise that
lol.
Got to say, from everything I've seen I think the 7700k is the single best gaming CPU, and I don't think the Ryzens are going to have the IPC/clock speed to challenge it. My hope is that it will have a low enough price point for the 4 or 6 core to at least ask some questions of it, and the 8 core priced low enough to make the x99 stuff largely irrelevant.
Kinda getting tired of waiting though. With Kabylake we didn't get confirmation of release dates until the minute it was released, which made sense as they didn't want to tank skylake sales. But for Ryzen the earlier they can tell us stuff the better for them. And I'd really like them to realise that
The Ryzen 8 Core might not be able to challenge it but the 4 Core Ryzen should be able to.
I hope so. But I can completely see it capping off at 4.5 - 4.8 ghz and broadwell level IPC. which would still leave it at maybe 10% slower than a 5ghz 7700k. (and even that might be wishful thinking)
But 90% of the performance at 70% of the price is definitely worth buying.
Come on AMD, don't screw this up
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I want a core upgrade due to the work my PC is currently doing.
If I can get the same single core performance as my 4770k @ 4.8ghz in an 8 core Ryzen for less than £500 then I'm in.
If I can get the same single core performance as my 4770k @ 4.8ghz in an 8 core Ryzen for less than £500 then I'm in.
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I hope so. But I can completely see it capping off at 4.5 - 4.8 ghz and broadwell level IPC. which would still leave it at maybe 10% slower than a 5ghz 7700k. (and even that might be wishful thinking)
But 90% of the performance at 70% of the price is definitely worth buying.
Come on AMD, don't screw this up
Technically that maybe the case but the Ryzen chip will have twice as many threads which must count for something.
For example at home I have an FX8350 as a workstation for running VM's. At work I have a 3570k workstation. The work machine is theoretically more powerful but I've noticed I can run more VM's concurrently on the 8350 than the 3570k with less of a performance hit.
I meant the 4c8t Ryzen
I have little doubt that the 8c16t will have more overall performance, though most won't get used in gaming. But I also think it will be way more expensive than the 7700k (probably in the £500 - £700 range, this is a guess), but that's ok, as its direct competition is the 6900kThey have 40. Only the absolute bottom rung chip has less.
I hope so. But I can completely see it capping off at 4.5 - 4.8 ghz and broadwell level IPC. which would still leave it at maybe 10% slower than a 5ghz 7700k. (and even that might be wishful thinking)
But 90% of the performance at 70% of the price is definitely worth buying.
Come on AMD, don't screw this up
Yeah, totally agree on that... based on all the leaks so far it's what things are pointing towards regards performance. For raw gaming, Kaby will hold the crown, but at a much higher price point with AMD offering around 90% of that but at a much more attractive costing, even more so with what are said to be cheaper motherboards.
The 8C won't be a gaming CPU... well, it will of course, and do a damn fine job at it, but it's going to be aiming at 6900k levels of performance, enthusiast level for uses beyond gaming. The 4C offerings will be the sweet spot and where AMD hope to steal the Kaby sales.
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The 8C/16T parts will no doubt be the halo parts - 4C/8T and 6C/8T will be the mass market parts IMHO OFC,as they will be the sinks for all the faulty Ryzen CPUs.
I also hope AM4 also has a decent mATX and mini-ITX motherboard choice as that has been seriously lacking from AM3 and AM3+ since you only really tended to have very old chipsets on them,and IIRC only one,maybe,two mATX 970 motherboards were available in retail.
I also hope AM4 also has a decent mATX and mini-ITX motherboard choice as that has been seriously lacking from AM3 and AM3+ since you only really tended to have very old chipsets on them,and IIRC only one,maybe,two mATX 970 motherboards were available in retail.
Soldato
Core i7-5820K and Core i7-6800K have 28 , ofc you are right the rest have 40
Soldato
Apparently they are going to have a couple specific chipsets for itx, X300 and B300 if memory serves, With the X one being for overclocking.
They have already shown a couple matx boards. So fingers crossed they'll have a comparable range to intel
Apparently they are going to have a couple specific chipsets for itx, X300 and B300 if memory serves, With the X one being for overclocking.
They have already shown a couple matx boards. So fingers crossed they'll have a comparable range to intel
A300 is listed for small form factor ITX AM4 too.
assuming equal IPC more total GHZ is better (assuming you don't start to add other limiting factors like your 10ghz cpu has more wait states on cache / ram)
1 core at 10GHZ > 10 cores at 1GHZ
10 cores with HT might be better than 1 x 10ghz core, but that's a bit cheating because there is additional silicon in the 10 core HT cpu that's doing extra stuff to help things along....
The 8 core version is not there to compete with the i7-7700K, no matter how much we'd love it to be in the same price bracket. I reckon the 6 core version will be in that range, and considering B350/X370 motherboards are likely to be cheaper than Z270 ones it should compete extremely well. Even if it can't quite reach the IPC or clock speeds, those extra cores and lower price should see the 4 and 6 core versions sell in bucket loads, especially as games more and more demand extra cores (be it virtual or real). It's not out of the question that the i5 range becomes redundant due to 4 core Ryzens, it all depends on the price and clock speed potential.