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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Globalfoundries 14LPP Is On Time For AMD’s Zen – Volume Ramp To Start In Early 2016

Globalfoundries communicated the progress of its 14nm plans this past Saturday, asserting that its 14LPE FinFET process is on track for volume production this year, while its high performance 14LPP is set for qualification in the second half of the year with volume ramp set to take off early next year.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/globalfoundries-14nm-finfet-amd-zen-2016/#ixzz3n43RhntW
 
What does that mean for on the shelf CPU's?

According to the following article the typical time to market after volume ramp is 1-3 months for AMD and Nvidia GPU's. It may be a bit longer for cpu's though but still good news if the wccf news is true.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/207517-is-samsungs-plan-to-ramp-up-10nm-production-by-the-end-of-2016-a-paper-war

Companies like Qualcomm and Samsung, in contrast, operate on very different timetables. When Samsung ramps a process node, it typically enters volume production on DRAM or NAND first, followed by logic at a later date. Getting a Qualcomm or Apple SoC ready for volume production is just the first step. Once validated, chips still have to be shipped to various network operators for validation on their own networks. It can take anywhere from 5-9 months for carriers to perform their own validation or device customization work. This is why Samsung can say it’ll be in 10nm volume production by the end of 2016, yet we may not see devices based on 10nm hardware until Q2 2017. GPUs do tend to be a bit faster — typically AMD and Nvidia have launched hardware 1-3 months after TSMC announces volume production at a given node.
 
I think wcctech said that AMD might be displeased with globalfoundaries. Which in itself was just speculation/rumour.

I think a lot of these websites are in such a rush to say 'First!' that they don't bother to do any real checking.
 
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I really hope AMD brings something special to the table. We need some competition in the market.

i'm very sceptical of the prospect of competition. They can do better for themselves but to provide true competition to Intel is a tall ask, even if Zen is in every conceivable way better Intel will still sell 3x as many at twice the price. its more about name than it is the product, AMD have the sort of name where most commentators will feel obliged to have a "but" in their comment on AMD's products, and thats a fatal place to be in.

A lot of them often make AMD the but of jokes with CPU's and GPU without even realising they are doing it.

AMD cannot be taken seriously in the same way Intel are, reviewers are very careful with what they say about Intel while with AMD pretty much anything goes and often does, a miracle would need to happen to change that.
 
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The Athlon XP, 64 and X2 did do great things for AMD with close to a 50% market share at the time. It's not impossible to get back to that, but yeah, it's going to be uphill all the way for them.
 
The Athlon XP, 64 and X2 did do great things for AMD with close to a 50% market share at the time. It's not impossible to get back to that, but yeah, it's going to be uphill all the way for them.

Not really, it will either will be great and sell, or it will be a potato and AMD might exit the high end desktop / Server CPU market altogether.

A decent ZEN CPU will see instant adoption, a crap one could be the final straw for AMD's high end Desktop CPU market. There's no real middle ground..

Personally think AMD are well aware of the mistakes they made, and have brought in a great team to work on the now completed Zen design.

This will be decent and catapult AMD back into the game. So yeah CPU is being taken care off, tbh I'm more worried that AMD's new GPU's might not be able to keep up with a very dominant Nvidia as we move onto Pascal etc. Although the recent changes to the Radeon division might enable AMD to respond quicker going forward.
 
Not really, it will either will be great and sell, or it will be a potato and AMD might exit the high end desktop / Server CPU market altogether.

A decent ZEN CPU will see instant adoption, a crap one could be the final straw for AMD's high end Desktop CPU market. There's no real middle ground..

Personally think AMD are well aware of the mistakes they made, and have brought in a great team to work on the now completed Zen design.

This will be decent and catapult AMD back into the game. So yeah CPU is being taken care off, tbh I'm more worried that AMD's new GPU's might not be able to keep up with a very dominant Nvidia as we move onto Pascal etc. Although the recent changes to the Radeon division might enable AMD to respond quicker going forward.


It far to optimistic to say all AMD need to do is make a great chip.

AMD's success with it depends on Intel letting them, that's the monopoly Intel enjoy.
 
It far to optimistic to say all AMD need to do is make a great chip.

AMD's success with it depends on Intel letting them, that's the monopoly Intel enjoy.

That is all AMD Have to do, make a great chip.

"If you build it, he will come"

Field of Dreams.

:P

AMD haven't built a great chip in years, and have managed to sell some 'Ok' chips. A great chip would sell a ton.
 
It far to optimistic to say all AMD need to do is make a great chip.

AMD's success with it depends on Intel letting them, that's the monopoly Intel enjoy.

Intel's lineup is pretty much set in stone for the next 2-3 years. If desktop Zen beats them, their response will be higher stock clocks and lower prices. They can't just conjour a new chip out of thin air.

If the Zen APUs that have been leaked (the HPC / Server focused ones) are produced in any volume, Intel have absolutely no answer at all. Hardware or API.

But therein lies the problem ... volume could be a huge issue. Supposedly Zen will initially be TSMC 16nm+ rather than GF 14nmFF LP+. Apparently GF's cheaping out and re-using old tools for 14nmFF (rather than going total copy exact from Samsung) has resulted in major issues for the LP+ version (late and low yield). I don't believe for a second that TSMC won't have minute capacity on 16nm+, especially if Arctic Islands ends up on it for the same reason (both Zen and AI were meant to be GF). Why they didn't subcontract the work to Samsung I have no idea ... but even if there is capacity at H1 Zen launch on TSMC ... if GF haven't sorted themselves out for a '17 Zen APU launch on their process, I think supply will be at best a dribble. Plus of course the APUs will have HBM and presumably require an interposer (or is AMD's new interconnect fabric doing away with that for APUs?) ... and the enterprise APUs are meant to be their killer app and where they could make huge margins.
 
Intel's lineup is pretty much set in stone for the next 2-3 years. If desktop Zen beats them, their response will be higher stock clocks and lower prices. They can't just conjour a new chip out of thin air.

If the Zen APUs that have been leaked (the HPC / Server focused ones) are produced in any volume, Intel have absolutely no answer at all. Hardware or API.

But therein lies the problem ... volume could be a huge issue. Supposedly Zen will initially be TSMC 16nm+ rather than GF 14nmFF LP+. Apparently GF's cheaping out and re-using old tools for 14nmFF (rather than going total copy exact from Samsung) has resulted in major issues for the LP+ version (late and low yield). I don't believe for a second that TSMC won't have minute capacity on 16nm+, especially if Arctic Islands ends up on it for the same reason (both Zen and AI were meant to be GF). Why they didn't subcontract the work to Samsung I have no idea ... but even if there is capacity at H1 Zen launch on TSMC ... if GF haven't sorted themselves out for a '17 Zen APU launch on their process, I think supply will be at best a dribble. Plus of course the APUs will have HBM and presumably require an interposer (or is AMD's new interconnect fabric doing away with that for APUs?) ... and the enterprise APUs are meant to be their killer app and where they could make huge margins.

Role reversal, that has been AMD's answer to Intel, hike up the clock rates and lower the price :D

We, the enthusiast market are pretty insignificant when compared with OEM's and Servers, this is really where AMD need to gain market share at the expense of Intel and history dictates Intel will defend their position there vigorously, even play dirty, illegally.

Intel will not lower the price unless they are under threat, they have ways to quash that with plenty of reviewers willing to take Intel's money and an army of forum shills ready to set to work.
 
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AMD Zen And K12 Designs Completed And Taped Out – On Track For 2016 And 2017 Availability

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-k12-taped/#ixzz3p0nk48kv

AMD’s next generation x86 and ARM high performance cores code named “Zen” and “K12” have reportedly taped out according to the linkedin profile of an AMD design engineer. Coincidentally AMD’s President and CEO Lisa Su had also announced at the company’s Q3 earnings call that the company’s design teams have successfully taped out several FinFET designs at multiple foundries in Q3 2015.
 
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