*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[Uriel]

Has anyone claimed to know what the difference is between the supposed R3, R5, R7 vanilla and pro versions?

 

[humbug]

Has anyone claimed to know what the difference is between the supposed R3, R5, R7 vanilla and pro versions?

No, its a new thing.

One thing i do find odd about that slide, other than the cited clock speeds is there are 17 versions across 3 SKU's, what?

Lisa Sue said all RyZen chips would be unlocked, so thats five 16 thread chips, four 12 thread chips, three 8 thread chips and four 4 thread chips, all unlocked, thats a lot of chips to cram into a 3 SKU space, its as many as Intel but most of their chips are locked.

 

[SiDeards73]

Just read this

https://www.cpchardware.com/intel-prepare-la-riposte-a-ryzen/

Interesting if any truth to it both for AMD and Intel, will say though if I just bought a Kaby I5 I'd be super unhappy or an i7

 

[humbug]

Just read this

https://www.cpchardware.com/intel-prepare-la-riposte-a-ryzen/

Interesting if any truth to it both for AMD and Intel, will say though if I just bought a Kaby I5 I'd be super unhappy or an i7

Hmm.... Intel increasing TDP Again with KB to run yet higher clocks still out of the box, interesting.

This flies in the face of Intel (upto this point) going for power efficiency, now its starting to look like Intel 4 core is using more power than AMD's upcoming 8 core, wouldn't that be embarrassing.

 

[SiDeards73]

Wouldn't you be peeved tho if you just bought a Kaby i7 or i5 and they release a higher clocked version? And ontop of that release an i5 with HT?

Worrying news about the And 4c chips tho not clocking even as high as the 8c ones

 

[humbug]

No not really as they are just pre-clocked, and they will probably end up £30 more expensive anyway.
But to buy KB at around this point is really not a good idea full stop.

 

[DragonQ]

Wouldn't you be peeved tho if you just bought a Kaby i7 or i5 and they release a higher clocked version? And ontop of that release an i5 with HT?

Worrying news about the And 4c chips tho not clocking even as high as the 8c ones

Anyone that bought a Kaby Lake i5/i7 knowing how little improvement there was and knowing that Ryzen was 1-2 months away was probably a bit dim anyway.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Wouldn't you be peeved tho if you just bought a Kaby i7 or i5 and they release a higher clocked version? And ontop of that release an i5 with HT?

Worrying news about the And 4c chips tho not clocking even as high as the 8c ones

Well if Intel is offering a 4C/8T K series CPU at £240,that means the AMD equivalent will either have to be cheaper or have more cores.

 

[Nutella33]

Hmm.... Intel increasing TDP Again with KB to run yet higher clocks still out of the box, interesting.

This flies in the face of Intel (upto this point) going for power efficiency, now its starting to look like Intel 4 core is using more power than AMD's upcoming 8 core, wouldn't that be embarrassing.

Isn't it like a quicker repeat of the devil canyon scenario? That was just a speed bump and tdp raise for a bit of extra cash no?

 

[mmj_uk]

Well if Intel is offering a 4C/8T K series CPU at £240,that means the AMD equivalent will either have to be cheaper or have more cores.

It will lack any GPU so it will have to cheaper anyway otherwise AMD are worse than Intel.

 

[Wah007]

It will lack any GPU so it will have to cheaper anyway otherwise AMD are worse than Intel.

So it'll just be an i7 then. I don't think many people will care about the igpu

 

[Beren]

Just read this

https://www.cpchardware.com/intel-prepare-la-riposte-a-ryzen/

That is interesting - if the lower core RyZen chips are really nerfed 8/16 core versions that cannot sustain the frequencies and also have dud cores it could mean that while the first release 4 and 6 core Zen might be limited on frequency and not compete so well against the higher frequency Intel when the process matures and they are creating 4 and 6 core chips on purpose out of 'A' grade silicon there could be very significant speed bumps.

 

[ljt]

Just read this

https://www.cpchardware.com/intel-prepare-la-riposte-a-ryzen/

Interesting if any truth to it both for AMD and Intel, will say though if I just bought a Kaby I5 I'd be super unhappy or an i7

Wouldn't the so called i5 7640k with HT in that article just be an i7 with slightly less cache?

IMO i5's should have been 4c/8t and i7's at least 6c/12t by now anyway though as there has been little progression over the last 5 or more years in the i3/i5/i7 cpu's

 

[Spyhop]

That is interesting - if the lower core RyZen chips are really nerfed 8/16 core versions that cannot sustain the frequencies and also have dud cores it could mean that while the first release 4 and 6 core Zen might be limited on frequency and not compete so well against the higher frequency Intel when the process matures and they are creating 4 and 6 core chips on purpose out of 'A' grade silicon there could be very significant speed bumps.

Jeez, don't like the sound of that.

I know disabled chip regions are a staple of the industry, but as extreme as 8,16 to 4,4? Would the packaging have a little stamp on it saying "garbage-grade"?

 

[AthlonXP1800]

This is the most in-depth coverage of the present leak information I've seen:
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-am4-processor-family-leak-r7-1800x-flagship/

https://videocardz.com/65708/intel-preparing-core-i7-7740k-a-response-to-amd-ryzen-7-1800x

You might have seen this list supposedly showing a full lineup of Ryzen CPU names. As much as I would like to say that the list was fake, there is nothing that would suggest otherwise. In fact, I can already tell you that Ryzen CPUs are already being detected with their ‘real’ names.

So far we have seen two Ryzen 7 CPUs which are 1800X and 1700X. The only difference from the leak is the R7 moniker is being shown as Ryzen 7. I’m not sure why ‘eight-core processor’ is not shown as ‘octa-core’ though. Of course, we will keep you updated once more CPUs show their full, and hopefully final, names.

Videocardz confirmed all above Ryzen names are fake, it seemed WhyCry already saw the final retail Ryzen CPUs real name.

Doubful if leaked Ryzen RZ 780 is the real name.

 

[DragonQ]

That is interesting - if the lower core RyZen chips are really nerfed 8/16 core versions that cannot sustain the frequencies and also have dud cores it could mean that while the first release 4 and 6 core Zen might be limited on frequency and not compete so well against the higher frequency Intel when the process matures and they are creating 4 and 6 core chips on purpose out of 'A' grade silicon there could be very significant speed bumps.

I don't think we're going to see a return of the era when Athlon II X2s could be unlocked to Phenom II X4s (IIRC). It seems wasteful to just make a batch of 8-core chips and disable cores to make 4-core and 6-core variants but maybe it is cheaper overall, who knows.

We already know each module contains 4 cores so I think it's far more likely that 4-core chips will be natively so. However, that still means 6c/12t chips are likely to be cut-down versions of 8c/16t dies. Whether they'll be "unlockable" though, is another question. A 6c/12t chip at a lower price point than Intel that has a possibility of unlocking to 8c/16t? Yes please!

 

[flopper]

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331317&page_number=2

 

[Curlyriff]

None of AMD's chip's at CES ran as low as 3Ghz, it was 3.4Ghz+ and 3.6Ghz+.

So given that ^^^^ The slide citing 3Ghz is lower than the slowest chip at CES, thats what i said and its what i meant.

Its like you are on a different plane of reasoning to what's written in black and white.
Its not at all complicated nor does it have alternative meaning, it is just that the slowest chip at CES was running a minimum of 3.4Ghz and the slide stated a minimum of 3Ghz.... 3Ghz is a lower number than 3.4Ghz.

There was only 1 chip at CES. They didn't have the SKU's there or to show. I think that is what you are missing. You stated that the information at CES was wrong which is not true. We always knew there would be lower end chips and that the ones they had was the higher end one. It was given as info during an interview at CES (with a nod and wink confirmation based on question).

I have no different planet just well aware of what was shown and nothing there contradicted what was shown. What you read into and perceived though is very different to the actual info provided at CES.

People here jumped in stating that if it's only 3.6GHz that couldn't possibly be the top end chip, they all wanted to believe that we would see 5.0GHz chips which just isn't going to happen. At least not any time soon.

 

[Curlyriff]

https://videocardz.com/65708/intel-preparing-core-i7-7740k-a-response-to-amd-ryzen-7-1800x



Videocardz confirmed all above Ryzen names are fake, it seemed WhyCry already saw the final retail Ryzen CPUs real name.

Doubful if leaked Ryzen RZ 780 is the real name.

No it didn't? Did you miss-read it.

You might have seen this list supposedly showing a full lineup of Ryzen CPU names. As much as I would like to say that the list was fake, there is nothing that would suggest otherwise. In fact, I can already tell you that Ryzen CPUs are already being detected with their ‘real’ names.

So far we have seen two Ryzen 7 CPUs which are 1800X and 1700X. The only difference from the leak is the R7 moniker is being shown as Ryzen 7. I’m not sure why ‘eight-core processor’ is not shown as ‘octa-core’ though. Of course, we will keep you updated once more CPUs show their full, and hopefully final, names.

It clearly states here there is no reason that it is fake at all. It then goes on to confirm they have seen both the 1800X & 1700X as listed.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

There was only 1 chip at CES. They didn't have the SKU's there or to show. I think that is what you are missing. You stated that the information at CES was wrong which is not true. We always knew there would be lower end chips and that the ones they had was the higher end one. It was given as info during an interview at CES (with a nod and wink confirmation based on question).

I have no different planet just well aware of what was shown and nothing there contradicted what was shown. What you read into and perceived though is very different to the actual info provided at CES.

People here jumped in stating that if it's only 3.6GHz that couldn't possibly be the top end chip, they all wanted to believe that we would see 5.0GHz chips which just isn't going to happen. At least not any time soon.

Lisa Su said Ryzen would be shipping at 3.4ghz onwards - look at the 8C clockspeeds,they state a base clockspeed of under 3.4GHZ!

The CEO is on record as saying that unless you are now saying she lied. Watch the December AMD event again.

Edit!!

Instead of thread thrashing the thread, it's even stated in the coverage here:

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...e-clock-speeds-additional-performance-details

So even if it were only for the 8C model it is contradicting what the CEO said - she said 3.4GHZ onwards not 3.0GHZ and is even stated in the AMD slides - any other info is not verifiable and really seem like you want to make sure at least the 8C Ryzen chips have low clockspeeds.