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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

lol, ok. As far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter either way. I just find it a little comical that when these bits of information are shared, they apparently have less credibility than a site like Canard, that found out 3rd hand that one core managed 5Ghz. :p

It's a rumour thread, most of everything that's been posted is fake. What insight I've given isn't, that's the kicker. So very sorry for sharing.
 
EVH said:
I'm happy to confirm if you want to email me a screenshot. Email in trust.
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I'll send you a screenshot an email I got from AMD confirming I'm getting one of the super secret 10c/20t Ryzen chips @ 4.6ghz.

Oh, I'm also really good an building responsive email templates ;)

And as for:-

Silent_Scone said:
Most users don't understand how overclocking really works
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Well, hope you're not including me in that:-

Fastest "non LN2/8Pack" 980ti benches on OCUK:-
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28330031&postcount=4111
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=27387417&postcount=1232
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18629665
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Heh, not exactly the context I was aiming at, but best not to drag it up any further.
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I think the problem is your attitude is mostly condescending for the majority of your posts, i think most people are wise to you now and your attitude and are quite frankly at their limit of tolerance.

People come to these forums to learn as well as gossip / chat nonsense / rumor products, and attitudes like yours put off people who want to ask questions but dont want to be ridiculed off these boards for doing so.

Anyhow, no new RyZen news today, whens the next show they are likely to demo stuff? is it not end of this month?
 
SiDeards73 said:
I think the problem is your attitude is mostly condescending for the majority of your posts, i think most people are wise to you now and your attitude and are quite frankly at their limit of tolerance.

People come to these forums to learn as well as gossip / chat nonsense / rumor products, and attitudes like yours put off people who want to ask questions but dont want to be ridiculed off these boards for doing so.
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I'm a realist, my attitude as you perceive it is simply my posting style, which is direct...If something isn't right, I'll correct it. There shouldn't be a limit to 'tolerance' from one simply posting what they know. I don't see you abusing CanardPC on twitter telling them to stop posting?

No, of course not - because this is how most users perceive the tech media (which is a mess). But you don't see me going to twitter and doing the same to these guys as you are to me...
 
Silent_Scone said:
I'm a realist, my attitude as you perceive it is simply my posting style, which is direct...If something isn't right, I'll correct it. There shouldn't be a limit to 'tolerance' from one simply posting what they know. I don't see you abusing CanardPC on twitter telling them to stop posting?

No, of course not - because this is how most users perceive the tech media (which is a mess). But you don't see me going to twitter and doing the same to these guys as you are to me...
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This is true, but do CanardPC not have a history with AMD leaks? where as you have none? so its easier to believe someone like CanardPC who have history in this, as to believe some random dude on a forum on the internet who has none?

See where im coming from?
 
SiDeards73 said:
This is true, but do CanardPC not have a history with AMD leaks? where as you have none? so its easier to believe someone like CanardPC who have history in this, as to believe some random dude on a forum on the internet who has none?

See where im coming from?
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I think that's where mine and your (and most people on here) perception of the tech media differ. Trust me, if you knew half the **** that went on (in the industry in general) you wouldn't be so quick to believe anything you read from these guys...I doubt Canard will post up any substance worth reading once all the launch info blows over.

It's all about first, not accurate. You only need to look at most of the KBL reviews if you know what to look for to realise that, even when these guys have their mitts on these platforms, they still post a lot of misinformation or shamelessly regurgitate what's been handed to them by vendors.

I'm just someone who's eager to try these things out and share what I do know with you guys. That's not a crime.
 
Silent_Scone said:
rust me, if you knew half the **** that went on (in the industry in general) you wouldn't be so quick to believe anything you read from these guys...
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Ahh, there it is, "trust me". You have yet to provide any evidence to show we should trust what you say.

You're not presenting your statements as an opinion (which is what what most other people do on here and that's ok), you present your statements as fact and then provide no supporting evidence other that saying we should "trust you".
 
morguk said:
Come here for Zen news. All I get is random arguing. Classic OCUK! :)
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Haha yep. It would be all good but through the arguing I have given up trying to find out what each view point is. They just seem to be about one person stating all other info apart from their own is wrong which is hard to get past when there seems to be no substance to the actual views or posts that person is contributing too.

I will say that the SKU's shown are what I have been shown previous to posting on here. And they also tally up with the principles of what was posted previous with 4,6 & 8 core SKU's in principle.


Someone asked about Pro and from my understanding it is all to do with the base clock and turbo speed. So the standard model number e.g. R7 1700 is the lowest core speed model in the range, the R7 1700pro the middle and the R1700X is for enthusiast models of that range.

What is slightly confusing is that they have not all got 3 options in each numbered range but my guess is that it may just be that there would be too much overlap at a price point that does not make sense to have so many different chips.

They are all unlocked though from what I am aware still. And some are suggesting that the Pro support some other features such as ECC memory but maybe don't clock as high as the 'X' series but that is all speculation thus far.
 
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Ahh, there it is, "trust me". You have yet to provide any evidence to show we should trust what you say.

You're not presenting your statements as an opinion (which is what what most other people do on here and that's ok), you present your statements as fact and then provide no supporting evidence other that saying we should "trust you".
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It's a turn of phrase? I don't care if you trust me or not regarding anything else...

Stick to Canard if that's what helps you.
 
Canard have form, as i said they correctly predicted the AthlonXP when everyone said they were trolling.

That doesn't mean they are not trolling now, but when Silent_Scone says they are lying and to believe him without even posting so much as a screenshot and having no trustworthy form what-so-ever how do you expect us to react?

In fact in this thread you made claims about Zen that have already turned out to be nonsense, one was low clock rates, when it first appeared on the net at 2.8Ghz you said you knew that was because they couldn't get anymore clocks out of the chip, the last test it was running at 3.6Ghz base, which is 400Mhz higher than Intel's current 8 core.
Then you went on a rampage about System memory speeds because two motherboard vendors had 2600Mhz written on the spec sheet, you said that was because you knew Zen's IMC couldn't cope with speeds higher than that, later other motherboards appeared with memory speed's much higher.

There is a pastern forming with you. You were warred when making these claims they would come back and bite you.
 
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Canard have form, as i said they correctly predicted the AthlonXP when everyone said they were trolling.

That doesn't mean they are not trolling now, but when Silent_Scone says they are lying and to believe him without even posting so much as a screenshot and having no trustworthy form what-so-ever how do you expect us to react?

In fact in this thread you made claims about Zen that have already turned out to be nonsense, one was low clock rates, when it first appeared on the net at 2.8Ghz you said you knew that was because they couldn't get anymore clocks out of the chip, the last test it was running at 3.6Ghz base, which is 400Mhz higher than Intel's current 8 core.
Then you went on a rampage about System memory speeds because two motherboard vendors had 2600Mhz written on the spec sheet, you said that was because you knew Zen's IMC couldn't cope with speeds higher than that, later other motherboards apear with memory speed's much higher.

There is a pastern forming with you and you were warred when making these claims they would come back and bite you.
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This post, it makes no sense...

This goes back to you not understanding overclocking. That is not a dig, simply true. Let's break it down;

1) I said speeds above 2600 (memory) will likely be conditional at launch. Others chimed in by saying it was simply one or two boards and that couldn't possibly prove anything conclusive; whilst that is strictly not untrue, the reason for saying this is born more out of denial than it is you understanding how these things work. I called you out on explaining why you thought other vendors would have higher support over others - you dodged the question because you didn't have the nous to respond to it.


2)I've never claimed to know the minimum core clocks on any SKU, so I'd like you to show where I said that.

3) I then said that memory frequency support has been seen much higher (by vendors yet to play their cards), a week or so later a few boards cropped up showing 2933 support. Hardly a huge leap, but it shows things are improving in certain areas. I also then added that I was unsure on what condition these overclocks are achieved in. Whether stable or not.

If there's anything else you'd like to try and call me out on, feel free.
 
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Its all a waste of time trying to change history now ^^^, regulars in this forum know exactly what went on.

Just stop claiming to be in the know, what we are doing is speculating, what you are blatantly doing is claiming to have your fingers is super secrete pies.
No one believes you, which i guess is all that matters so i'm not going to respond to you on this mater unless you start doing it again the next time someone speculates on something.

Moving on... hopefully.
 
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