*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[opethdisciple]

Then again after 5+ years since AMD's last CPU architecture you'd hope they'd be able to deliver SOMETHING (anything) after so much time.

Think what Intel would come up with if they had 5 years engineering time.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Nope,you are deflecting - that X99 mini-ITX motherboard is £270+ so no only your typical melodramatic twisting is in action.

Plus unfortunately for you,the X99 platform is over-engineered for mini-ITX,since sadly for you,Ryzen is an SOC and X99 motherboards need a southbridge so it means more complexity and more PCB space taken up.

Also,any real advantages X99 has in PCI-E lanes,etc is negated on smaller motherboards due to the fact you only have one PCI-E slot and one slot for a PCI-E SSD,etc.

Intel can do nothing about it - an AMD Ryzen 8C/16T CPU at £400 to £500 is half the price of the Core i7 6900K.

The socket 1151 motherboards only go upto 4C/8T.

Plus,sadly for you AMD mini-ITX motherboards will be priced more in line with consumer socket 1151 ones and maybe even cheaper as there is less need for extra chips on board due to the SOC nature of Ryzen.

So going by previous AMD mini-ITX motherboards,probably £70 onward.

Oh,also Intel has no current socket 2011 8C/16T CPUs for £300 which are easy to buy and are 65W TDP CPUs.

So your melodramatic E-PEEN argument Intel can compete,isn't really true.

But you are so terrified that AMD might have an advantage for such systems,you are trying your best to limit damage for Intel,which is typical for you.

I suspect you are scared the secondhand price of your socket 2011 CPUs will be go down TBH.

Edit!!

Also even a mod here started questioning your claims.

Have you sent them a picture of that Ryzen CPU you claim you have now??

There really isn't any need to be quite so aggressive.

1) You said Intel had no answer for a 8 core Ryzen in an ITX board. Which is false, as I've already pointed out to you. You can purchase ITX board and an 8 core (or 10) CPU. Price wasn't ever mentioned.
2) You claim to understand that AMD Mini ITX boards will be priced more competitively, yet moments ago were blaming AMD for there being no ITX boards at launch, which shows an apparent lack of understanding of how the industry works.
3) I don't recall talking about 8 cores under any certain price point
4) I've not made any form of argument, just correcting your misinformation regarding AMD MB launch variation
5) I don't care what happens to Intel pricing, because I've been using this platform for 3 years - and besides purchasing binned chips out of my own pocket, it hasn't cost me to do so.
6)Bringing e-peen into the argument because you don't like being corrected.
7) Being terrified regarding computer component releases is equally as irrational as blaming AMD for lack of ITX boards at launch
8) Yes I will be receiving Ryzen samples post launch, why or when that is is none of your concern - Yes I sent a mod an email in order to prevent you harassing them with RTM.

I think you need to calm down.

 

[SiDeards73]

At the end of the day if your splashing £1000+ on a CPU I think your not overly concerned about resell value, even though it's about to get hammered through the floor, you might have a tinge of regret when you get offered £250 for it, but it is what it is unfortunately.

I'm more excited about the prospect of getting a Mobo and Ram that I won't need to change for a good while as I can swap the CPU with a good upgrade path.

Right now if I'm a new buyer getting into PC gaming AMD have a great option, I can go in with a semi decent Mobo and Ram which the mobo should be cheaper than the Intel option, I can pick up a 4/4 to start me off or a 4/8, then if I feel like it I can swap it for a 6/12 or an 8/16 while keeping the rest of the build the same and then when the new gen comes I can drop that in as well without needing a total rebuild.

Makes it much cheaper for rebuilds in the future as there's less outlay as you only need to swap CPU.

If the performance is there with that aggressive pricing AMD has probably made irrelevant a few Intel CPUs

 

[drunkenmaster]

I hope they do single socket Opterons like they did back in the day, might even see some 16C/32T versions on AM4 if they do.

There is a dual channel memory controller in each 8 core unit. The server chips will be made up of 2 and 4 8 core units, as such a 16 core would be quad channel and the 32 cores are going to be 8 channel memory.

IE a 16 core can't work on a dual channel motherboard as one of the CPUs would get either no bandwidth(depends how memory management works) or really just excessively limited bandwidth with everything trying to funnel through one core to the other. Basically there is no point releasing such a chip.

What we can potentially hope for is someone to take the initiative and offer an x99 like enthusiast board with a server chipset. IE make a barebones more gaming oriented board without server level storage features, make it smaller, make it single socket and either bundle it with or maybe AMD will offer some cheaper single socket 16 cores.

We'll see, there is probably the niche market there to buy it, not necessarily profitably, but sometimes taking a small loss just to win over users and take away the halo can still work out for you by increasing other sales.

Would certainly be interesting to have say a £1200 16 core server part and a £250-350 server mobo but all kinda aimed at the enthusiast. I wouldn't buy it, but some users would and it would certainly create a lot of hype. It would also mean every time Intel launch a chip this would be included in benchmarks against it. same way there are some absurdly priced Intel chips that will probably still be ahead of anything 8 core Zen even if the mobo/cpu costs three times as much, it will still be there in reviews. If you have a 16 core Zen crap on that 10-12 core Intel chip, regardless of if most can't afford it, it looks good.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Then again after 5+ years since AMD's last CPU architecture you'd hope they'd be able to deliver SOMETHING (anything) after so much time.

Think what Intel would come up with if they had 5 years engineering time.

Which is why people having this whole attitude of trying to find some weird reason why paying a couple times more for whatever Intel CPU is rather weird. They are doing unpaid marketing work for Intel to justify not dropping prices.

If anything they should be hoping AMD has something decent out of the door,instead of wishing it isn't otherwise expect more £175 Core i3 K series CPUs in the near future.

There is no rational reason for wanting Ryzen to fail.

If Intel engineers commented on Ryzen being competitive themselves,I don't understand the mentality of some of the people in this thread.

Even looking at a comment a while back,another Intel person said Ryzen would be disruptive in 2017,and then went on how 10NM would give them an advantage,etc.

Intel has more positive things to talk about AMD then "so-called" enthusiasts on forums,which makes you wonder what sort of little bubble they are in.

The mentality of modern day "so-called" enthusiasts is very different from the 90s and 2000s. I still remember when the K6,Athlon,Athlon XP and Athlon 64 were out - most enthusiasts wanted and relished the competition from companies as diverse as Cyrix,VIA,AMD,Intel,Next Gen,etc.

 

[Silent_Scone]

I think honestly this mentality you speak of; consists more of people who've owned the platforms in question instead of simply mouthing off about pricing and performance vicariously. . Nobody is trying to spoil any kind of party here.

Continue...

 

[SiDeards73]

There really isn't any need to be quite so aggressive.

1) You said Intel had no answer for a 8 core Ryzen in an ITX board. Which is false, as I've already pointed out to you. You can purchase ITX board and an 8 core (or 10) CPU. Price wasn't ever mentioned.
2) You claim to understand that AMD Mini ITX boards will be priced more competitively, yet moments ago were blaming AMD for there being no ITX boards at launch, which shows an apparent lack of understanding of how the industry works.
3) I don't recall talking about 8 cores under any certain price point
4) I've not made any form of argument, just correcting your misinformation regarding AMD MB launch variation
5) I don't care what happens to Intel pricing, because I've been using this platform for 3 years - and besides purchasing binned chips out of my own pocket, it hasn't cost me to do so.
6)Bringing e-peen into the argument because you don't like being corrected.
7) Being terrified regarding computer component releases is equally as irrational as blaming AMD for lack of ITX boards at launch
8) Yes I will be receiving Ryzen samples post launch, why or when that is is none of your concern - Yes I sent a mod an email in order to prevent you harassing them with RTM.

I think you need to calm down.

ROFL I imagine many of us are getting samples post release hahahaahaha

 

[Silent_Scone]

ROFL I imagine many of us are getting samples post release hahahaahaha

That's not the same thing, mate. That's called buying. The fact it's such a huge deal to some of the die hard fans really does bring me joy I have to admit

 

[Sargatanas2511]

I want it to be a success yet I have never owned an AMD cpu. It's actually important for the future of competition in the market space that Ryzen is worthwhile.

 

[gavinh87]

That's not the same thing, mate. That's called buying. The fact it's such a huge deal to some of the die hard fans really does bring me joy I have to admit

Except the way you have been banging on about these chips would have most believe you have been part of the engineering team
You know no more than any of us in here, go troll elsewhere.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

ROFL I imagine many of us are getting samples post release hahahaahaha

He is just deflecting away.

LMAO,he thinks I reported his posts - what a funny person that he actually thinks he is important enough for me to report his posts. The mods can confirm here that I never reported any of his posts in this thread.

Now he is playing the victim - poor diddums.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Except the way you have been banging on about these chips would have most believe you have been part of the engineering team
You know no more than any of us in here, go troll elsewhere.

No problem.

He is just deflecting away.

LMAO,he thinks I reported his posts - what a funny person that he actually thinks he is important enough for me to report his posts. The mods can confirm here that I never reported any of his posts in this thread.

You're welcome then. (In relation to my last response). Really isn't my intention to get you so irate.

 

[gavinh87]

Just hit RTM and annoy the mods, that seems to work; because people like you take it personally.

I've not reported your posts. Nor will I. You provide me with too much entertainment.

 

[Silent_Scone]

I've not reported your posts. Nor will I. You provide me with too much entertainment.

The irony being I enjoy correcting Cat and others, but for the sake of appearances I try to keep that to myself

 

[Deleted member 651465]

I can confirm Silent_Scone sent me an email confirming he'll be getting a sample after launch.

Also CAT hasn't RTM'd any of his posts.

 

[Scramz]

So I have found at least 5 UK e-tailers listing the Ryzen CPU's and pricing. The interesting thing is these e-tailers nearly always price the products higher than actual costs which was also the case with a monitor I recently purchased.

Would be interesting if the release price is actually lower than these leaks. Exciting times.

 

[darket]

Wow for a second i thought i had been reading a discussion about brexit, its a wafer of silicon , next year it will be last years tat

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Wow for a second i thought i had been reading a discussion about brexit

DON'T YOU START!!

 

[TaKeN]

So much Drama in this thread

 

[humbug]

The irony being I enjoy correcting Cat and others, but for the sake of appearances I try to keep that to myself

When you actually get one THEN you can correct others IF they are indeed wrong in their assertions, right now despite your claims and assertions you do not have one, right now you know the same as the rest of us. nothing.