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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Blooming heck that 1600X is going to make the 7700K look like a joke at £100+ more expensive, especially with 2 less cores and 4 less threads. :o
 
Cooper;30496350 said:
With the current state of multi threaded support in gaming, or rather lack of, that R1400X 4c/8t could well be the value star of the lineup, with a 3.9Ghz boost, I bet with decent cooling 4.5 to 5Ghz will be an easy reach.

i7 performance for less than £200. Bargain.
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I'm still not sure if the XFR is a gimmick or not?

So the price/perf champ for gaming could be the R5 1300. 4C/8T with overclocking (how much we don't know), and the same TDP budget as the 1400X.

Won't know until reviews if the XFR feature is actually more than just marketing to get people to pay more. They are all multi unlocked, after all.
 
XFR is not a gimmick, it is like boost on a NVidia gpu. If the cooling is there, it will auto overclock beyond the guaranteed boost clock.

Think of it as useful to people who want more performance but don't have overclocking knowledge.
 
Mauller;30496433 said:
XFR is not a gimmick, it is like boost on a NVidia gpu. If the cooling is there, it will auto overclock beyond the guaranteed boost clock.

Think of it as useful to people who want more performance but don't have overclocking knowledge.
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OK, but again if the X models don't come with a HSF either, then the R5 1300 would be more bargain-licious than the 1400X. Esp if the new Wraith cooler is good enough for the job.

Turn the multi up (pretty much all there is to it now, yes?) and you've got the same result as on the 1400X only you haven't had to buy a cooler and the CPU is cheaper to begin with.
 
Gimmick isn't the right word, but the question remains whether XFR is just a convenience thing whose perf can be matched by non-X SKUs using the more coarse-grained approach of a manual overclock.
 
I though in nvidia cards it's actually annoying that you can't keep it at level you want (even keeping the temps below 50C the speed/maximum overclock is decreased)
 
Spyhop;30496481 said:
Gimmick isn't the right word, but the question remains whether XFR is just a convenience thing whose perf can be matched by non-X SKUs using the more coarse-grained approach of a manual overclock.
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You can probably think of it as a contained overclock. There will be an upper frequency and temperature limit.
 
I really want the 8 core but it must be because I am on the hype train. To be realistic, I will end up getting the 6 core version, I hope it clocks as high as the top end 8 core Ryzen though.
 
Wah007;30496535 said:
I really want the 8 core but it must be because I am on the hype train. To be realistic, I will end up getting the 6 core version, I hope it clocks as high as the top end 8 core Ryzen though.
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£60 to get 8 cores instead of 6. Why not?
 
Aye, I'll be waiting till some decent overclocking reviews are out before purchasing, or maybe wait till AMDs new GPUs are out as well and build a complete new system (will need to wait for waterblocks regardless I assume?)
 
Silent_Scone;30496492 said:
You can probably think of it as a contained overclock. There will be an upper frequency and temperature limit.
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Makes me wonder how it's decided what the XFR frequency cap of a given SKU is.
 
XFR will auto overclock to within set TDP and thermal limits.

It has been explained somewhere, in the BIOS you can set a TDP limit, to within reason, so if you set the 95 watt 4Ghz 1800X chip to 150 Watts it may boost to 5Ghz provided you can also keep it at or below its cited 73c TJmax.

So a good motherboard with good VRMs that will allow a higher TDP will clock the chip higher than a cheap motherboard with lesser VRMs.

Edit: Or the Motherboard vendors may actually compete with that amongst eachother, better boards will have a higher TDP out of the box so the chips in those will run faster
 
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