I remember those too, unfortunately i was on the other side with the dual core while it was biting the dust hard :/
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I remember those too, unfortunately i was on the other side with the dual core while it was biting the dust hard :/
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I am planning on spending more on mobo and ram than the processor currently. Top end motherboard and mid range Ryzen. This with a view to longevity. With four years of processor support, I expect to put at least two iterations of Ryzen in the board in that time if not three if the system is still good. Anyway I would be approaching 70 myself by then so maybe past it 
Reading some more of the CB forum posts (up at nearly 1000 posts so only the ones where the CB staff replies), and someone took their recent CPU scaling tests and estimated the R7 1800X
would be equal to the i7-4770K:
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&p=19826077#post19826077
And Volker (who's doing the testing although I though he usually did the GPU testing), said:
Not that bad as that implies far closer to Kabylake. Admitably that's stock KB but still. A bit more process refinement and the quad or hex Ryzen might actually be able to take the gaming crown.
All those rumours of poor IMC latency (which to be honest might only be a theoretical issue as in the end real-life performance matters not SiSoft Sandra scores), might hide something else which a few people have pointed out: since APUs will be very important for AMD it is possible they have purposefully concentrated on bandwidth at the expensive of latency. Of course, this might be more of an indication of AMD's tight R&D budget and that they could only do one or the other.
Wonder how poor latency would affect server runs, as server must be another major focus of Zen and so far it looks like Naples will be a very competitive server chip. They may also have plans to make Naples parts with HBM2 even without GPU where it acts as a L4 cache.
would be equal to the i7-4770K:
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&p=19826077#post19826077
And Volker (who's doing the testing although I though he usually did the GPU testing), said:
That is, "No, it [the 1800X] is much/significantly higher".
Not that bad as that implies far closer to Kabylake. Admitably that's stock KB but still. A bit more process refinement and the quad or hex Ryzen might actually be able to take the gaming crown.
All those rumours of poor IMC latency (which to be honest might only be a theoretical issue as in the end real-life performance matters not SiSoft Sandra scores), might hide something else which a few people have pointed out: since APUs will be very important for AMD it is possible they have purposefully concentrated on bandwidth at the expensive of latency. Of course, this might be more of an indication of AMD's tight R&D budget and that they could only do one or the other.
Wonder how poor latency would affect server runs, as server must be another major focus of Zen and so far it looks like Naples will be a very competitive server chip. They may also have plans to make Naples parts with HBM2 even without GPU where it acts as a L4 cache.
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Reading some more of the CB forum posts (up at nearly 1000 posts so only the ones where the CB staff replies), and someone took their recent CPU scaling tests and estimated the R7 1800X
would be equal to the i7-4770K:
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&p=19826077#post19826077
And Volker (who's doing the testing although I though he usually did the GPU testing), said:
That is, "No, it [the 1800X] is much/significantly higher".
Not that bad as that implies far closer to Kabylake. Admitably that's stock KB but still. A bit more process refinement and the quad or hex Ryzen might actually be able to take the gaming crown.
All those rumours of poor IMC latency (which to be honest might only be a theoretical issue as in the end real-life performance matters not SiSoft Sandra scores), might hide something else which a few people have pointed out: since APUs will be very important for AMD it is possible they have purposefully concentrated on bandwidth at the expensive of latency. Of course, this might be more of an indication of AMD's tight R&D budget and that they could only do one or the other.
Wonder how poor latency would affect server runs, as server must be another major focus of Zen and so far it looks like Naples will be a very competitive server chip. They may also have plans to make Naples parts with HBM2 even without GPU where it acts as a L4 cache.
He's an idiot, its an 8 core, not a 4 core, there is another 8 core in that chart with similar IPC and clock speed, 6900K
From what we know of other game benchmarks the 1800X would top this chart.
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One thing needs to be clear in this topic for PURE GAMING POWER 7700K will win hands down. Just get that 5ghz delided cpu and amd wont have anything on it for next 2 years. If someone thinks otherwise hes living in some dream.
If i was not encoding videos from raves for my YT i would have gotten 5ghz 7700K over ryzen since its SAME PRICE and faster in games simple. So what u got 4 not 8 cores. looking at how things are we wont see much gain from 8 cores in games for next 3 years !!!!!
I know few p[eople buy platforms for years but when someone likes NEW AND SHINY like me shiet does not last longer than 1.5-2 years i keep selling everything still with warranty.
If i was not encoding videos from raves for my YT i would have gotten 5ghz 7700K over ryzen since its SAME PRICE and faster in games simple. So what u got 4 not 8 cores. looking at how things are we wont see much gain from 8 cores in games for next 3 years !!!!!
I know few p[eople buy platforms for years but when someone likes NEW AND SHINY like me shiet does not last longer than 1.5-2 years i keep selling everything still with warranty.
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First to 1Ghz and first to true 64bit as well.
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The Q6600 is an interesting comparison, I upgraded to one from an E6400 IIRC, and it was a fabulous chip but my mobo struggled to overclock it.
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I don't agree there, sure the 7700k is a great gaming cpu, but all you need is one AAA game that is very popular to support >4 cores and the Ryzen will destroy it. If Blizzard make overwatch use 6+ cores it will leave the 7700k for dust.
whos dreaming here ? the 7700k is the fastest gaming cpu and will be for some time.ryzen is for multi tasking.
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We will see who's the one dreaming soon enough
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Reading some more of the CB forum posts (up at nearly 1000 posts so only the ones where the CB staff replies), and someone took their recent CPU scaling tests and estimated the R7 1800X
would be equal to the i7-4770K:
https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1661545&p=19826077#post19826077
And Volker (who's doing the testing although I though he usually did the GPU testing), said:
That is, "No, it [the 1800X] is much/significantly higher".
Not that bad as that implies far closer to Kabylake. Admitably that's stock KB but still. A bit more process refinement and the quad or hex Ryzen might actually be able to take the gaming crown.
All those rumours of poor IMC latency (which to be honest might only be a theoretical issue as in the end real-life performance matters not SiSoft Sandra scores), might hide something else which a few people have pointed out: since APUs will be very important for AMD it is possible they have purposefully concentrated on bandwidth at the expensive of latency. Of course, this might be more of an indication of AMD's tight R&D budget and that they could only do one or the other.
Wonder how poor latency would affect server runs, as server must be another major focus of Zen and so far it looks like Naples will be a very competitive server chip. They may also have plans to make Naples parts with HBM2 even without GPU where it acts as a L4 cache.
Depends on the application. The most benefit with DDR4 comes from increased sustained IO which is where sub timings play a part. Latency improvements will come with time
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With the zen chips. Having lower core for core performance over a maxed i7 7770K wouldn't be an issue given its huge overall performance advantage.
That wasn't the case with the PD chips. But if it is now, then AMD isn't a compromise.
That wasn't the case with the PD chips. But if it is now, then AMD isn't a compromise.
Soldato
Some memory info.
Might be worth a look. Someone doing 4ghz runs on 1700 in 3dmark talking about compatibility problems with Gskill memory and more. Looks like mainly rumor mill as can't tell who is reposting as its a friend of a friend from what I can gather. So perhaps disregard.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5wngkj/rumors_from_chiphell_about_ryzen_cpu_chipsets_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5wngkj/rumors_from_chiphell_about_ryzen_cpu_chipsets_and/
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Agreed - it was a bit like the Phenom II X4 and Core2 Quad CPUs - the latter had a bit better IPC and could overclock a bit better,but when pricing settled down the former was cheaper overall.
The only difference is Intel won't have 8C on a consumer platform "only" 6C next year.
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MadMossy for starters
I'm gaming on 6 core overclocked to max stable cpu for over 2 years and well i know in games 5ghz on 7700k will run GAMES faster!!!! What i hope is to get SAME IPC as what i got atm as i consider it just enough for gaming.
On that note i play WoW and that uses 2.5 cores
For people like me PRICE thing does not matter since im blowing money on pointless upgrade that will give me 0 fps more in games anyway. Could not care that in 7 months it will be super cheap.
And knowing me when next better clocking cpu's come out on AM4 i will swap over asap
and thtas main reason im jumping of dead X99 since no real upgrade in my eyes there.
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Just done a calculation on the memory shot above which uses DRAM 1701 (3400) and FSB: DRAM ratio as 3:40. This means that the FSB that is running is 127MHz. Interesting IMO
Not sure Overwatch is CPU-bound in the slightest anyway. Doesn't touch mine.
There are bound to be compatibility issues on launch they cant test for everything.. my Z170 is still getting bios updates for memory compatibility no doubt AM4 will follow the same process
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Only if you play old games, i think the chart i quoted proves that more threads vs Mhz wins out, 3.2Ghz 6900K is 10% ahead of the 4.2Ghz 7700K.