• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Even with the slightly underwhelming Gaming performance thus far the 1700 still seems like a fantastic CPU,even if you turned off the SMT and just used it as a straight up 8 core cpu its defiantly got more than enough oompf for a gaming rig and the pricing is still superb.

I imagine after a few bios updates and maybe some windows updates the performance will scale properly in games like most other workloads.

£320 for a a true 8 core that even with unfulfilled potential and is still competitive with intel,deffo well done AMD.

Struggling to see the appeal of the 1700x/1800x at this point however.The Motherboard availability and bios issues is defiantly a downer tho :/
 
MrMD said:
Even with the slightly underwhelming Gaming performance thus far the 1700 still seems like a fantastic CPU,even if you turned off the SMT and just used it as a straight up 8 core cpu its defiantly got more than enough oompf for a gaming rig and the pricing is still superb.

I imagine after a few bios updates and maybe some windows updates the performance will scale properly in games like most other workloads.

£320 for a a true 8 core that even with unfulfilled potential and is still competitive with intel,deffo well done AMD.

Struggling to see the appeal of the 1700x/1800x at this point however.The Motherboard availability and bios issues is defiantly a downer tho :/
Click to expand...

Perfect that about sums it up THX
 
AMDMatt said:
6s2jMx6.jpg

Follow the AMA here > https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x4hxu/we_are_amd_creators_of_athlon_radeon_and_other/
Click to expand...

I presume Mizz Su means for future titles? It's too late for games that are already out?
 
Nutella33 said:
The CEO and an official statement has been made about the SMT stuff on the day of release. not exactly clamming up really is it? Its not like a 3.5GB situation again.
Click to expand...
harney said:
You would have thought this ....would have been nice to see the results from all the reviews ..what i do not see is any body disabling cores to 4 or 6 and then trying OC
Click to expand...

OFC they clammed up - this should have been conveyed to the reviewers in the reviewer guide.

The fix is for AMD to have told reviewers to test games with both SMT enabled and disabled. There is NOTHING complex about putting that in their reviewers guides.

The fix would be for AMD to be honest and say MS was having some delays in getting drivers and scheduler updates out. The fix would be them saying games needed updates to handle the AMD implementation of SMT.

They need to be honest about these problems - not hide them and this should have been said before reviews were out.

They know very well hiding problems has blown up in their face and they don't have the sway of Intel or Nvidia to bury them.

It shows you either AMD has not done proper internal testing or has and was trying to hide it to save face.

Saving face is irrelevant when your CPU is scoring upto 15% lower scores in games due to SMT issues.

But the problem is like hiding a dirty family secret its different when you get on top of it,instead of somebody "finding it out".

It looks like review sites have found a "bug" in Ryzen regarding SMT and gaming and many sites are not aware of the SMT issues in games,so are showing lower than normal performance in games.

OTH,if they actually see the tree for the woods,and get ahead of the curve on it they could manage it. Plus so many people pre-ordered Ryzen for gaming,expecting it would reasonably competitive even if it did not beat Intel,but the issue is in certain reviews(who seem to be oblivious to the issue),they tested with SMT on meaning performance could regress to IB levels in certain reviews.

IB levels at the worst end are still perfectly fine but,the issue it sounds like AMD Ryzen is more like a 5 to 6 year old than a newer one and people will subconsciously link the two.

We are enthusiasts,so we can kind of think its plausible for AMD to get another 10% maybe 15% out of the CPU once devs start getting to grips with optimisation,or by simply switching off SMT.

But since most reviewers won't know this so will most people looking at the Ryzen reviews who won't be on forums like here.
 
Hotwired said:
Yeah what's Nvidia falling for.
Click to expand...

A good few Analysts have been saying that NVIDIA is overvalued for a while now, and it and AMD has gone up and down together for a while now.
Happened again today, although the majority of NASDAQ dropped today.

Even Netlfix is down 1.95 today.
I'm sitting here watching since market open, and they're moving up and down together quite a bit.

A lot of it being "buy on rumor, sell on news folks".
I myself lost a little on the NASDAQ today, but it's expected to bounce back. I don't see AMD hitting over €15 tonight though.

While reviews look great from a workstation and enterprise performance area; good performance, and low power usage; it did disappoint in gaming for many people.

Once AMD can get sales though; and especially in the Enterprise sector they'll grow again.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Nasdaq was down the entire day, with NVIDIA down 2.67%. Still AMD took a nasty hit at a little over 5% :(
Click to expand...

Makes no odds, it did exactly the same thing when the RX480 was launched at the end of June last year...tanked by about $2 dollars a share from $7ish to $5ish then just steadily rose after that.

IMO, today's drop was naive short term investors getting a twitchy bum and cashing in after reviews had landed and seen it wasn't a knockout in every single department. AMD have a long term plan and I've no doubts the value will increase over the coming 12 months.
 
It shouldn't have shocked people when it came to gaming.

AMD themselves didn't put the 7 series against "gaming" chips like the 7700k when it actually came to gaming.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom