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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Jono8 said:
For better or for worse, this seems to be the AMD promise through and through as the same thing is said about their GPU's..always tipped to be better in the long run, but never at that moment.

Personally I think AMD need to focus on delivering products that deliver the performance now and today, not at some point in the future when their rivals have just released something faster anyway.

Zen certainly shows a lot of promise though and I am looking forward to their 2018 revision where they can hopefully up the IPC, clocks, overclocking and game performance a bit to make it a true rival for Intel's fastest.

The best thing about Zen is the price and the fact it has clearly made Intel think twice.

It makes their current X99 platform prices look pretty expensive.
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I expect stock clocks will again come close to maxing out Zen v2. All that great tech they show like AVFS, sensors, etc, that is the outcome of it. Chips that can get be tuned and released as close to their frequency ceiling as possible.
 
Nutella33 said:
Lisa Su is doing an Ask Us Anything on reddit. some interesting replies. Top comment is about the SMT issues
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Follow the AMA here > https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x4hxu/we_are_amd_creators_of_athlon_radeon_and_other/
 
So with a 300Mhz overclock (Maybe less) on the 1700, that is a £319 CPU beating a 6900K at over £1k..... Am i missing something?!
 
ahh the old intel or nvidia bribed the devs :D

seriously though it's a good chip been a good launch the 1700 impressed me muchly that tdp is impressive. Hopefully the microcode will improve in the coming months :)
 
Scramz said:
So with a 300Mhz overclock on the 1700, that is a £319 CPU beating a 6900K at over £1k..... Am i missing something?!
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No it's better than the 6900k in most situations, if you're in the market for a 6900k semi workstation come gaming machine then the 1700 is a good chip.
 
TwsT said:
ahh the old intel or nvidia bribed the devs :D

seriously though it's a good chip been a good launch the 1700 impressed me muchly that tdp is impressive. Hopefully the microcode will improve in the coming months :)
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It is entirely possible that some games have been compiled with the Intel compiler (we use this at work) and it will create specific code branches in the executable that are only for Intel compilers. So if that's the case there is nothing AMD can do about that other than convince them to use a more generic compiler like GCC or MS compiler.
 
TwsT said:
ahh the old intel or nvidia bribed the devs :D

seriously though it's a good chip been a good launch the 1700 impressed me muchly that tdp is impressive. Hopefully the microcode will improve in the coming months :)
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Where is that coming from?

All I see is that Lisa is stating the games are optimized for Intel's tech; and considering how long Intel has been the only company really in the game I can see that being true.

Lets not forget that Intel's HT also had issues with some games when it first came out; where disabling HT in games also helped.
 
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