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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Tyrand said:
I can't say I've experienced a CPU launch before but dang I'm just trying give companies my money and places are out of stock. Didn't get my order dispatched because Gigabyte sent barely any motherboards to OcUK? - ( Or is demand just that high? )

Still I'm pretty desperate - might get Saturday shipping with a different motherboard. :rolleyes:
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Demand's definitely super-high. I think people with patience to wait 2 weeks or so are gonna have a much better time in general with it than those that just want it "now!now!now!".
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
I know! I looked at the comments and saw that as well. Even then though there's a massive variance between gaming performance for many reviewers.

So far Joker is the only one to just run the games with Afterburner overlay and let people look at the raw numbers themselves. I agree entirely though that AMD should have clarified about the Windows Drivers, and other micro code updates that still need to come.

Although if you ask me they should have waiting another month for the majority of those to be out and fixed before launching. It looks horrible for them, and hurt their market share price.
Down 7.12% is massive, and market even opened with a peak of $14.78, and just closed at $13.885.
That hurts them, and sends another bad message to short and medium term investors. It stung me, a little small fry. I can only imagine what it did to real players.

All of which could have been avoided by either informing reviewers about the missing updates, or just delaying the launch by another month. The latter might have boosted and kept them over $15, and then clenched it as the new minimum when Ryzen launched and did well not only on Workstation tasks but also gaming.

So close, and then fumbled right at the finishing line. Now they're stuck with this bruise, and what'll obviously be another "AMD sucks for gaming" circlejerk; while ignoring that the 1800X is still competing with the 5960X and 6900K at half the price.
Some reviewers even have the 1700@ 3.9Ghz on air cooler barely behind the 7700K @5Ghz.
Ryzen has amazing potential, and AMD just needs to sort out their launches.
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Yep,and the only reason I am going on about it is since I do want AMD to do well with this instead of stumbling like this during launches.
 
Well this will probably get lost in this mega thread but just wanted to say well down AMD.

I like some others have been quite skeptical of some of the Ryzen's performance/ price predictions and whilst AMD have not quite hit the expectations of some re performance they have certainly nailed the pricing. As such I'm quite happy to acknowledge that my prediction of the top end Ryzen coming in at £600-800 were quite wide of the mark and that more Intel 'consumer' level pricing is in fact the reality. For anyone in the market for a new good all round platform Ryzen certainly gives a compelling AMD option (were previous AMD efforts massively fell short) now at the high end and I for one am glad as I expect it will result in prices dropping for the 'Enthusiast' Intel CPU's (even if only more so for the 2nd hand ones!).

Currently though I wont be swapping over to the red team for my main computers CPU. This is because frankly the 5820k was an absolute bargain when I bought it just over two years ago for under £300 at the time. It clocks better than either Ryzen or Broadwell-E CPU's do on average with only a marginal IPC hit. I think this does highlight the 'physics' based issues affecting all modern CPU's - i.e their not getting faster at the same rate they were per cycle 10 - 15 years ago as the limitations of the overarching technology come into play

Looks like ill have to wait a while for something much faster from either AMD or Intel for my next upgrade.
 
Tyrand said:
I can't say I've experienced a CPU launch before but dang I'm just trying give companies my money and places are out of stock. Didn't get my order dispatched because Gigabyte sent barely any motherboards to OcUK? - ( Or is demand just that high? )

Still I'm pretty desperate - might get Saturday shipping with a different motherboard. :rolleyes:
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OCUK haven't received their shipment of Gigabyte motherboards AFAIK
 
I'm not put off by gaming performance. IF I was choosing a CPU to buy right now between the 1700X and the 7700k I would get the 1700X.

I like the sound of this minimums and frame latency being better. If if I haven't seen any proof other than a review mention it briefly in the conclusion.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Yep,and the only reason I am going on about it is since I do want AMD to do well with this instead of stumbling like this during launches.
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I agree. They have a lot of potential and Ryzen shows that so much. God today got my blood pumping so much hahaha.
Watching the market react as reviews came out was such a rollercoaster, there's still post-market trading going on right now.
I hope this is all sorted really quickly, we can not deal with another 5+ years of people not buying AMD really. Not when they finally have a decent product that just needs its kwerks ironed out.

Also there's a live stream between Joker and GamerNexus right now, and they're mentioning the massive variations between their motherboards; and the finalised states of those motherboards.
Joker mentions he actually kept checking to see if there were any BIOS or other updates for his Gigabyte, and he kept it up to date and retested. I seriously doubt many of the large publications did the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04p_ryVM2ow&feature=em-lbcastemail

I'd suggest watching this when it's out on YouTube as a video as well.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Yep,and the only reason I am going on about it is since I do want AMD to do well with this instead of stumbling like this during launches.
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It's always difficult for AMD two giant rivals both known for sharp practice. Caught between moving quickly to keep up or delaying and giving them time to react. Both Intel and Nvidia make mistakes and they have huge resources, no wonder AMD struggle.

The best we can do is support them and buy their products, I'm hoping to have the funds by the time Zen2 arrives. I've always thought my AMD systems felt smooth to use, hard to quantify and impossible to measure though.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Although if you ask me they should have waiting another month for the majority of those to be out and fixed before launching. It looks horrible for them, and hurt their market share price.
Down 7.12% is massive, and market even opened with a peak of $14.78, and just closed at $13.885.
That hurts them, and sends another bad message to short and medium term investors. It stung me, a little small fry. I can only imagine what it did to real players.

All of which could have been avoided by either informing reviewers about the missing updates, or just delaying the launch by another month. The latter might have boosted and kept them over $15, and then clenched it as the new minimum when Ryzen launched and did well not only on Workstation tasks but also gaming.
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The only people it would have stung were people that bought shares today at peak prices, everyone else is fine. It'll recover no doubts. Like I said earlier, it did the same with RX480 launch. But it has dropped because you and others panicked and sold. Are you in the camp that thought you were going to make a quick buck from an initial product launch, with all the hype surrounding it?
 
Panos said:
Don't write such things, especially when clearly are out there reviews showing that 8/16 works fine in many games.
TW Warhammer has clearly an issue, because it dumps all the process to the last thread found, but not the rest.

1800X looks like it has boost clock issues, because manually overclocked at 3.9 performs better than left to it's own boost clock!
Hence also the 1700 OCed at 3.9 performs better than the 1800X, keeping up with the more expensive 7700K at overclock 5Ghz!!!!!!!!
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It doesn't have boost clock issues, it runs 3.7ghz on all cores out the box, with xfr on it runs 4.1 on 1 core.
A manual 3.9 ghz overclock will obviously run faster in multi but single thread benches will suffer as the xfr won't be engaged for the single core 4.1 ghz.
 
EvilFranky said:
The only people it would have stung were people that bought shares today at peak prices, everyone else is fine. It'll recover no doubts. Like I said earlier, it did the same with RX480 launch. But it has dropped because you and others panicked and sold. Are you in the camp that thought you were going to make a quick buck from an initial product launch, with all the hype surrounding it?
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I got in well before that at least, but I expected AMD to have a decent launch for once without pit falls. Sadly they launched early and hit that snag with gaming consumers. Overall I'm still in the green by 2/3.
I hope people wake up and realise Ryzen is doing great where AMD really needs it to; and that's the enterprise market.
Near Broadwell performance, at half the cost, and less power. Still in for the medium haul.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
I got in well before that at least, but I expected AMD to have a decent launch for once without pit falls. Sadly they launched early and hit that snag with gaming consumers. Overall I'm still in the green by 2/3.
I hope people wake up and realise Ryzen is doing great where AMD really needs it to; and that's the enterprise market.
Near Broadwell performance, at half the cost, and less power. Still in for the medium haul.
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No worries then, relax!
 
EvilFranky said:
No worries then, relax!
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Hey now! Gotta follow reddit's advice! Buy on the tip, sell on the dip. Best way to make money after all. :p

In the end, AMD and NVIDIA will pay for my next system from OcUK.
Interesting that NVIDIA were also down 3.66% today so there's more to the drop that meets the eye. Time to take a gander at the US news; what has Trumpo done now. :P
 
Think my x58 rig will stay with me a little longer, Will wait for all the fix's and the 6C Ryzens reviews before deciding on a upgrade path. Still seems a huge improvement for AMD and much needed competition and choice for us all :)
 
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