*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[Jon20]

Had my parts come through and just finished building. Annoyingly, the Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT has a cack mount on AM4. Can quite easily twist the heatsink when everything is tightened up. Not quite sure why when it was rock solid on 1151. Will see what it's like for temps but not expecting anything amazing. Glad I sent off for the AM4 mount for a D15S from Noctua, just waiting for it to arrive.

 

[Dianbobo]

I hope my crosshair vi arrives in the next few days, my empty case looks very sad

 

[Spec-Chum]

I hope my crosshair vi arrives in the next few days, my empty case looks very sad

I've not even unpacked my case yet lol

Case, RAM and H110i all here, just waiting on mobo and CPU.

Everything else being "donated" from this PC.

 

[Panos]

That's just pulled out of absolute thin air.

There's absolutely no guarantees.

AMD is going to support the AM4 Zen platform over the next 4 years, with new CPUs coming every year until then.
And that also is made easy to support because all the Zen CPUs are SOC.
To put crudely, the Motherboards are pretty dumb, and only add value & functionality to what ever their manufacturer wants. All the critical parts of the system are run in the CPU (USBs, pci, the lot).
That reduces overall power consumption, while making the system to communicate more efficiently, because everything is wired in the CPU. Doesn't have to travel down the motherboard wiring.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3175...crucial-differences-in-every-am4-chipset.html

 

[Martini1991]

AMD is going to support the AM4 Zen platform over the next 4 years, with new CPUs coming every year until then.
And that also is made easy because all the Zen CPUs are SOC.

That was said about AM3+ and never happened.
There's absolutely no guarantees that we're going to get 3 or 4 new CPU's on AM4 that'll be compatible with the current chipsets.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but people shouldn't pretend it's written in stone.

 

[Panos]

That was said about AM3+ and never happened.
There's absolutely no guarantees that we're going to get 3 or 4 new CPU's on AM4 that'll be compatible with the current chipsets.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but people shouldn't pretend it's written in stone.

And I quote
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3155...hitecture-is-expected-to-last-four-years.html

While Anderson’s responsible for bringing Ryzen to market—“you don’t have any idea how many hours I and my team have spent on this,” Anderson said—it’s Papermaster who has to think of the future. When asked how long Zen would last, compared to Intel’s two-year tick-tock cadence, Papermaster confirmed the four-year lifespan and tapped the table in front of him: “We’re not going tick-tock,” he said. “Zen is going to be tock, tock, tock.”

Intel’s tick-tock cadence has typically meant that it develops a new microarchitecture every two years, with Kaby Lake the exception. Though AMD has never taken the time to formalize it, a three- to four-year lifespan for its own CPU architectures is about average. For example, the K8 series architecture debuted with the Opteron and Athlon 64 in 2003; with 2007’s mobile Sempron, the K8 trickled out. The K10 series lasted from about 2007 through 2010.

Don't compare the past with the AM3+. Here we have new architecture and roadmap.

 

[Martini1991]

And I quote
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3155...hitecture-is-expected-to-last-four-years.html


Don't compare the past. Here we have new architecture and roadman.

Which was the same thing last time.
I can pull off quotes about AM3+. But it'd be pointless. Nothing's written in stone.

If it happens, then great. But I wouldn't be surprised for it to not happen.
I have no doubt we'll get a Zen+ on AM4 in a year or so's time, AMD have managed that perfectly fine the last two times with Phenom to Phenom II and BD to PD. But I have absolutely no belief AMD can bash out a new CPU a year for a sustained period of time.

 

[Scramz]

Ive pretty much got the same setup as Scramz,running it at 3.7Ghz using the stock cooler till my bracket comes. Love this cpu.

£500 for the 1700, mobo and 16gb ram?

Nice!

What stepping is this one Scramz ?

F1

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Which was the same thing last time.
I can pull off quotes about AM3+. But it'd be pointless. Nothing's written in stone.

If it happens, then great. But I wouldn't be surprised for it to not happen.
I have no doubt we'll get a Zen+ on AM4 in a year or so's time, AMD have managed that perfectly fine the last two times with Phenom to Phenom II and BD to PD. But I have absolutely no belief AMD can bash out a new CPU a year for a sustained period of time.

I'll take AMD's public statement of intent over your "belief" tbh.

 

[Balb0wa]

£500 for the 1700, mobo and 16gb ram?



F1

Yes, not a bad price, not cost me much after i sold my 3770k, just got to shift my old motherboard and ram now.

 

[Martini1991]

I'll take AMD's public statement of intent over your "belief" tbh.

I don't doubt the intent.
But how many times have AMD made public intent that's gone no where? Too many times.
My belief is my own, I don't care about your opinion on it.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

I don't doubt the intent.
But how many times have AMD made public intent that's gone no where? Too many times.
My belief is my own, I don't care about your opinion on it.

Like Intels "significant gains" for Kaby Lake over Sky Lake?

I'm willing to throw AMD a bone this time round

 

[Martini1991]

Line Intels "significant gains" for Kaby Lake over Sky Lake?

I'm willing to throw AMD a bone this time round

I wasn't aware Intel was part of the discussion.
I also am willing to throw AMD a bone as well and fully intend to. But I'm not going to put blinkers on.

 

[Razor Time]

Thing is even if AMD do keep to the same socket for the next four years would you really want to pair a cpu with a 4 year old mobo? Surely there might be draw backs and features you might be missing out on if going this route and you would want a newer board to match a future cpu.

 

[Martini1991]

Thing is even if AMD do keep to the same socket for the next four years would you really want to pair a cpu with a 4 year old mobo? Surely there might be draw backs and features you might be missing out on if going this route and you would want a newer board to match a future cpu.

Can't see the harm. Most new features are over stated and underused.

Although you could do a gradual upgrade, upgrade to a newer board then do the CPU. As long as compatibility is kept through the socket chipset ranges.

 

[Nutella33]

3.8Ghz and the ram at 2700 just using the present TPU settings and the beta bios of 5803 on the crosshair.

Spoiler: 3.8ghz/2700RAM

 

[CEUOTC]

Thanks man

Spoiler: i7 6700 (non K)

ST faster than my i7 6700 (non K) nice

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Thing is even if AMD do keep to the same socket for the next four years would you really want to pair a cpu with a 4 year old mobo? Surely there might be draw backs and features you might be missing out on if going this route and you would want a newer board to match a future cpu.

Sure, why not? I'm running a 3.5 year old mobo now and if I could get a better CPU to slot into my current mobo I'd stay with this mobo for a few more years yet. But I can't, because Intel change sockets with the wind.

 

[Minus1337]

Ouch that's harsh! I assume it's DPD? Click the link to track your order, you can see where the van is, go find him and tell him you can't wait until 7pm!

Haha, that's an amazing idea that I might have done if not for me traveling to a friends house to pawn off my 6700k setup.

 

[Razor Time]

Can't see the harm. Most new features are over stated and underused.

Although you could do a gradual upgrade, upgrade to a newer board then do the CPU. As long as compatibility is kept through the socket chipset ranges.

I think would want a new board. Who knows what new feature might be out. Over the last few years we have had changes to the USB, ram speeds and storage features on motherboards (m.2, nvme, sata etc). Changes to pcie lanes are also in the works pcie express 4.0.

The point I am making is that I wouldn't bank on keeping a board that long for a future cpu and would more than likely change both. Others will see this differently of course.