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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Most e-retailers are out of stock with the 1800x, 1700x and 1700 availability is fine. Motherboards are far and few between that are available.
Sorry did not realise you had not order from OCUK. Still waiting for my order to be delivered and was having a minor panic that something else was now an issue.
 
But in all of the examples provided in the video (except one where used FPS values rather than percentages [I think?]), he had the new top performer set to 100%, so it's no surprise that the gap between the two processors highlighted became narrower over time.

Not really, looking at BF1 with all the CPUs including Ryzen at pure FPS it looks like this. Look at pure FPS in a modern game at 720p and 1080p with the Titan XP shows the AMD 8370 ahead of the 2500K in both resolutions.

Where as years ago the AMD FX chip did lose in the vast majority of games compared to the 2500k

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-03.../#diagramm-battlefield-1-dx11-multiplayer-fps

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Looking at their entire suite of game benchmarks for 720p and 1080p the FX chip is still ahead of the 2500K, and on average 3 FPS behind the 2600K overall.

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Is it weird that there are shortages from every manufacturer of am4 motherboards? Did they all underestimate demand or is it something else
Yeah you'll have to wait a month or two just to see all the models have decent availability, I'm hoping by that time most of the "quirks" will have been fixed and RAM runs @3200mhz easy.
 
Yeah you'll have to wait a month or two just to see all the models have decent availability, I'm hoping by that time most of the "quirks" will have been fixed and RAM runs @3200mhz easy.
The one advantage of the delay is that I've been able to change my pre order from the troublesome Crosshair vi to the gigabyte k7. Hopefully arriving sometime this week :D
 
If your on crosshair you need to use docp at around 130 bus speed. 3K then fine 2x2 single sided dimms.
Thanks for that. I had 5 different DOCP options. The third one resulted in DDR4-3000 with bus speed 125.
Just before I set that, I got a CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT BSOD. No idea what that means
 
I happen to agree that Ryzen is the better chip (and the way forward), but the premise of this video seems wrong to me. It's simple maths.

2500 100fps -> 100%
FX 90fps -> 90%

10 percent gap. And then you add a new chip which exceeds performance of the original top performer, and becomes 100%.

new 120fps -> 100%
2500 100fps -> 83%
FX 90fps -> 75%

Even though nothing about the original has changed ... eight percent gap. Even though nothing about the original results has changed. All that has changed is the baseline result (the '100%') has slid over a little, widening the data set, thereby squishing the 'percentage of base result' readings.

Am I missing something, or is everybody just overlooking this?
Like you say, if the baseline changes then percentage differences are meaningless but if the scores are actually different (e.g. by using a more modern suite of games) then it's fine to compare those numbers. Or maybe he means comparative performance, i.e. the difference between the two older CPUs compared to the most recent ones is smaller than it once was.
 
The one advantage of the delay is that I've been able to change my pre order from the troublesome Crosshair vi to the gigabyte k7. Hopefully arriving sometime this week :D


Yeah I cancelled as well. Going to **** tight for a week and see what's what. K7 looks good

*sit tight. Honestly my phone has a mind of its own
 
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