Caporegime
Thats the thing CPU prices have been increasing at a much lower rate that graphics cards even if you just look at the USD amounts!!
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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Soldato
I paid OCUK £167.99 on release in October 2012 for the FX8350 which gave me a huge amount of fun with overclocking, finding its limits, productivity and gaming.
I also paid OCUK £139.99 for a special offer FX9590 OEM in 2014 which was not quite so much fun overclocking but has been a very good general gaming and productivity CPU since then.
I have a Zen fund of up to £600 for a CPU, memory and motherboard, waiting and ready. I am reasonably hopeful that this will be my next upgrade path.
I also paid OCUK £139.99 for a special offer FX9590 OEM in 2014 which was not quite so much fun overclocking but has been a very good general gaming and productivity CPU since then.
I have a Zen fund of up to £600 for a CPU, memory and motherboard, waiting and ready. I am reasonably hopeful that this will be my next upgrade path.
Soldato
Is that right? I thought they launched at a bit of a silly price, in line with i7s.
Or was that just the 8150, with AMD pricing more appropriately for the Piledriver?
Caporegime
The FX8150 launched at a stupid price. As did the FX9 stuff. The FX83 stuff was decently priced, well more the FX8320
The FX8150 was £240 a few months after release...
http://web.archive.org/web/20120101...roductlist.php?groupid=701&catid=6&subid=1942
i5 2500K was only £170 at the time so yeah I think it's just a case of thinking people would fall for the 8 core marketing and then realising we aren't stupid, a bit like when they were charging £700 or so for FX9590.
edit: i7 2600K was £250.
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Soldato
Picked up my FX8320 for £100 brand new, at the time there were no intel equivelents you needed to go beyond my then budget towards £200 to start picking up the i5's. Its lasted just fine so far with no need to upgrade. If zen is any good I may consider it but not holding my breath till I see the evidence! 
Two questions.
Is that what people are saying?
If Zen is Sandybride performance or faster and offers 4+ cores with hyperthreading then AMD will compete. Well for my money they will.
i have seen many on here saying i will wait for zen.
there is nothing wrong with that but it will just be waiting for what you can have now.from intel.
i don't personally see the point.
why not spend a little more now.enjoy the product and then when then comes out and you atleast the same speed or faster still.you had all the fun while others wait.just to say a small price.
then again its a budget product so it sits where it should be.just dont mix that up and you will be fine.
there is nothing wrong with that but it will just be waiting for what you can have now.from intel.
i don't personally see the point.
why not spend a little more now.enjoy the product and then when then comes out and you atleast the same speed or faster still.you had all the fun while others wait.just to say a small price.
then again its a budget product so it sits where it should be.just dont mix that up and you will be fine.
Well the price will hopefully be determined by it's performance. I hope that they don't mess up with SMT. From what l remember Intel had problems with early implementations of the technology when SMT would actually decrease performance in certain cases.
And you think AM4 won't be a dead end platform ? Do you think That basically rehashing and re-branding the same platform since 2011 without adding any meaningful features is longevity ?
If you really think that Zen is going to be the holy grail of modern cpus then your living in cloud ****oo land, they are years behind Intel in research and development. The best you can hope for is that its going to come in at a value price point.
And for the people out there that think that the lack of competition from Amd has led to Intel stalling development, well again you must be mad. All that's done is push up prices. The demand these days in the consumer market is for compact power efficient mobile platforms and ultra high end server chips such as Knights landing, intel have never invested so much into R&D.
Soldato
What would be a "meaningful feature" to you? AM4 is adding DDR4, quad-channel memory, PCI-Ev3, NVME. What feature do you want that would make it meaningful?
Caporegime
Edited... now that i have had my morning coffee.
Nothing AMD do will ever dictate Intel's pricing, people who think Intel's pricing structure has anything to do with AMD are nuts.
The only people who dictate Intel's pricing are those who buy computer hardware, If Zen does come good i would be very interested to see how many will still try to blame AMD for what Intel will continue to do.
There is no reason why the AM4 platform wouldn't be upto date, but they are all dead end platforms regardless of the features they have on the day.
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I was referring to Am3 , sorry for the confusion.
Edited... now that i have had my morning coffee.
Nothing AMD do will ever dictate Intel's pricing, people who think Intel's pricing structure has anything to do with AMD are nuts.
The only people who dictate Intel's pricing are those who buy computer hardware, If Zen does come good i would be very interested to see how many will still try to blame AMD for what Intel will continue to do.
There is no reason why the AM4 platform wouldn't be upto date, but they are all dead end platforms regardless of the features they have on the day.
I don't agree at all, if Amd offered any competition to Intel then prices would change, by competition i mean a comparable product that actually made a dent in intels sales , dont get me wrong, i'm not blaming Amd for anything, Intel are where they are now because they make a good product. Like most people i buy what i think is the best in my budget weather it be Amd or intel, the last Amd i bought for my main pc was an Athlon 700...
What?
Caporegime
The only way Intel's pricing will change is if they lose significant market share to AMD, that will never happen, even when AMD had clearly better CPU's Intel still out sold them massively.
Yerrr well, it would take an interesting point of view to say the consumers were given a choice sometimes.
Hence the wad of cash AMD managed to obtain on the basis of Intel paying companies to have nothing to do with AMD:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices,_Inc._v._Intel_Corp.
You said that X99 or Z170 is a dead platform , every platform is essentially dead even before its release as in everything in the tech world , Am4 will be no different, its just Amd will string it out longer than intel just look at the ulta new refresh of Am3 ....