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Vish Petrol · 11 Mar 2017 at 10:25

8 Pack said:
B350 boards are not appropriate for 8Pack approved hardware bundles so I have not tried any. My advise with this platform is get a board with a solid vrm as current demand is high from the vrm.

Might be a silly question, but how would I be able to find out about the VRM's on each board?

Panos · 11 Mar 2017 at 10:37

Locky said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAoTZZRXrlw

watching TTL review of the Asus board is seems that BLCK clocking and getting the memory speed right up is giving the Ryzen huge gains in gaming performance..

Yeah great review

Nice to see also the performance of the various motherboards there.

flopper · 11 Mar 2017 at 10:41

Vish Petrol said:
Might be a silly question, but how would I be able to find out about the VRM's on each board?

some like asrock posts the vrm designs on their site.
many dont.
be a good idea however to have a list of boards but I assume a x370 board will do well overall if not pushed to hard.
if you want solid over time maxed out, then asrock taichi and other similar brand boards is needed due to vrm designs.

jjwf · 11 Mar 2017 at 10:41

EvilFranky said:
So you didn't cancel your pre-order after all?

Yes I did, these were 2 mates one upgrading from a 2600k the other from a 2500k.

Jokester · 11 Mar 2017 at 10:50

Just cancelled my order as well, waiting to see some proper overclocking results once all the bugs are ironed out.

Might just wait till Vega is out now and do a complete build in one hit.

Panos · 11 Mar 2017 at 11:10

Vish Petrol said:
Might be a silly question, but how would I be able to find out about the VRM's on each board?

the top 2 boards we know atm
Asrock X370 Taichi, with a whooping 16 VRMs (12+4) providing 300W of power. (that will push very high the LN2 competition)
Asus Hero has 12 (8+4) VRMs,
MSI Titaninum has 10 if correct.

Most of the B350 are on 8 VRMs (4+4), but has shown that they do overclock well in par with their bigger siblings, especially the Tomahawk one.
But some might be low on the RAM VRMs :/

A visit to the relevant manufacturer website will resolve your queries.

Hagar · 11 Mar 2017 at 11:22

Panos said:
the top 2 boards we know atm
Asrock X370 Taichi, with a whooping 16 VRMs (12+4) providing 300W of power. (that will push very high the LN2 competition)
Asus Hero has 12 (8+4) VRMs,
MSI Titaninum has 10 if correct.

Most of the B350 are on 8 VRMs (4+4), but has shown that they do overclock well in par with their bigger siblings, especially the Tomahawk one.
But some might be low on the RAM VRMs :/

A visit to the relevant manufacturer website will resolve your queries.

Not only how many, but what capacity or capability, 6+4, 8+4 can be better than 12+4 depending on the quality of the components. This is often obscured, or not mentioned in reviews as it is quite a technical subject.

Panos · 11 Mar 2017 at 11:26

nkata said:
Not only how many, but what capacity or capability, 6+4, 8+4 can be better than 12+4 depending on the quality of the components. This is often obscured, or not mentioned in reviews as it is quite a technical subject.

True, but we know from the technical reviews done on the Taichi and the Hero what each one is having.
The rest indeed someone should have a read.

HeX · 11 Mar 2017 at 11:27

Vish Petrol said:
Might be a silly question, but how would I be able to find out about the VRM's on each board?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5w5rc0/am4_motherboard_links_a320_added/

Silent_Scone · 11 Mar 2017 at 11:31

Panos said:
Few pages back you will see the twitter from MS that they know of the issues and working on them, been new platform was expected. And they are facing the same issues they had with Intel's HT years back.(their words)

Also the performance in Linux is fine on gaming, if you use 4.10 kernel or 4.9.10 patched for Ryzen support.

I would take PCPER with a handful of salt, because it the same site that said i5 3570 is faster than Ryzen on gaming........

You can't have read the article at all. It's showing that the schedular is not the issue, not debunking the OS as the culprit entirely.

xs2man · 11 Mar 2017 at 11:58

Excited much?

Got home last night, and my 1700 is sitting here, waiting to be built with. Motherboard (Gigabyte Gaming 3) and new case should be delivered on Monday. No AM4 mounting kit for my H115i though

So stock cooler for now.

Fresh SSD installs on both my systems (I'm taking the 480GB out my current system for the Ryzen build, and got a 120GB to put in my 4770k build that will be relegated to home media server duties). Also got a 240GB SSD to go into a laptop that I'm upgrading, so overall I'll have 3 new(-ish) systems to play with.

Also, new cases for both desktop systems, so new new new...

gavinh87 · 11 Mar 2017 at 12:03

xs2man said:
Excited much?

Got home last night, and my 1700 is sitting here, waiting to be built with. Motherboard (Gigabyte Gaming 3) and new case should be delivered on Monday. No AM4 mounting kit for my H115i though So stock cooler for now.

Fresh SSD installs on both my systems (I'm taking the 480GB out my current system for the Ryzen build, and got a 120GB to put in my 4770k build that will be relegated to home media server duties). Also got a 240GB SSD to go into a laptop that I'm upgrading, so overall I'll have 3 new(-ish) systems to play with.

Also, new cases for both desktop systems, so new new new...

I feel your pain, corsair are having supplier issues apparently. I'm still waiting for my bracket, I sent a webnote asking for an update and got ignored.

DragonQ · 11 Mar 2017 at 12:40

nkata said:
Not only how many, but what capacity or capability, 6+4, 8+4 can be better than 12+4 depending on the quality of the components. This is often obscured, or not mentioned in reviews as it is quite a technical subject.

To be honest what is really needed is a reviewer with a good clocking chip testing in various motherboards, in order to see if any of them bottleneck that CPU. If not, then it doesn't matter which board you buy, from an overclocking perspective anyway. RAM testing would need to be done too though.

Bonjour · 11 Mar 2017 at 13:42

nkata said:
Not only how many, but what capacity or capability, 6+4, 8+4 can be better than 12+4 depending on the quality of the components. This is often obscured, or not mentioned in reviews as it is quite a technical subject.

The VRMs look to be of high quality on the Taichi. At least, going by their photos.

humbug · 11 Mar 2017 at 14:02

Broken Hope said:
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-and-Windows-10-Scheduler-No-Silver-Bullet

Doesn't seem W10 is to blame.

Microsoft say it is but Allyn Malventano knows better, that guy is such a douche.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 11 Mar 2017 at 14:11

humbug said:
Microsoft say it is but Allyn Malventano knows better, that guy is such a douche.

Who knows what the reason is - it seems like loads of smaller reasons combining together. I mean if AMD had delayed the launch even three weeks,they still would have met a Q1 launch and Intel has no new launches for a few months anyway.

ATM,all the motherboard issues are not helping - this reminds me so much of the R9 290X launch TBH.

Spyhop · 11 Mar 2017 at 14:49

xs2man said:
Fresh SSD installs on both my systems (I'm taking the 480GB out my current system for the Ryzen build, and got a 120GB to put in my 4770k build that will be relegated to home media server duties). Also got a 240GB SSD to go into a laptop that I'm upgrading, so overall I'll have 3 new(-ish) systems to play with.

Also, new cases for both desktop systems, so new new new...

Wait a bit more and your clean install can be Win10 "Creators Update" (aka SP3)

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
this reminds me so much of the R9 290X launch TBH.

What went wrong with it?

Spyhop · 11 Mar 2017 at 14:54

Jon20 said:
Had my parts come through and just finished building. Annoyingly, the Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT has a cack mount on AM4. Can quite easily twist the heatsink when everything is tightened up. Not quite sure why when it was rock solid on 1151.

Ordered that thing after reading a post of yours. Cancelled after reading a post of yours. Thanks I guess

haszek · 11 Mar 2017 at 15:01

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Who knows what the reason is - it seems like loads of smaller reasons combining together. I mean if AMD had delayed the launch even three weeks,they still would have met a Q1 launch and Intel has no new launches for a few months anyway.

ATM,all the motherboard issues are not helping - this reminds me so much of the R9 290X launch TBH.

It's great that ryzen wasn't delayed, people who don't mind testing, tweaking etc have some fun and those who like everything more stable can wait (like they would've anyway if it was delayed).

There is nothing wrong for consumers that it was released when it was. Everyone is aware it's new, it requires updates, support from everyone around so buyers know what they are getting. You'd prefer it was released 1-2 months later? just buy it in 1-2 months when it's more stable, what's the problem? That you can see all the testing, all the bugs that wouldn't have been found otherwise? or are you worried about financial state of AMD?

Jon20 · 11 Mar 2017 at 15:02

Spyhop said:
Ordered that thing after reading a post of yours. Cancelled after reading a post of yours. Thanks I guess

Ha

Thermalright are sending me the AM4 upgrade for free along with a couple of fans that I've paid for. I have a feeling that some of the parts weren't quite right. The AM3 holes on the backplate didn't match up with the holes on the top mounting plate for example. So I'll see if it's any better when the parts turn up.

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