Same, I've got a 1700 with the x370 pro carbon and 16gb LPX 3200 and it's being very picky about ram speeds at the moment, using stock cooler too at the moment, have a waterblock but the pump is stuck in the post so no real gains until that arrives
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Same, I've got a 1700 with the x370 pro carbon and 16gb LPX 3200 and it's being very picky about ram speeds at the moment, using stock cooler too at the moment, have a waterblock but the pump is stuck in the post so no real gains until that arrives
I am really happy with the upgrade.
Playing Transportfever (OpenGL), that game was always a little bit laggy on my FX-9590 and now with everything Ultra and the same GPU (390X) it is so responsive. I play the broken bridge in Scotland at the moment and there are no lags at all on month end, where there is usually after a few years in and you built some stuff the costs calculation that lags for half a second every now and then.
It is known to only utilise a few cores (like 2-4), no matter how many threads you could run. My guess is that it is suppose to run on Intel Dualcore and they optimised for it. I can see ~4 cores being used at ~20% when the game is running.
CPU usage with the game running: http://i.imgur.com/tcLcgCp.png
But even though a lot of stuff is running, it is absolute responsive if you minimise applications or upload a video in the background.
Running CPU-Z stress-test and the game feels like playing on the FX-9590: https://youtu.be/LsLwhJQ5zc4
Oh and recording the whole thing of course
Playing Transportfever (OpenGL), that game was always a little bit laggy on my FX-9590 and now with everything Ultra and the same GPU (390X) it is so responsive. I play the broken bridge in Scotland at the moment and there are no lags at all on month end, where there is usually after a few years in and you built some stuff the costs calculation that lags for half a second every now and then.
It is known to only utilise a few cores (like 2-4), no matter how many threads you could run. My guess is that it is suppose to run on Intel Dualcore and they optimised for it. I can see ~4 cores being used at ~20% when the game is running.
CPU usage with the game running: http://i.imgur.com/tcLcgCp.png
But even though a lot of stuff is running, it is absolute responsive if you minimise applications or upload a video in the background.
Running CPU-Z stress-test and the game feels like playing on the FX-9590: https://youtu.be/LsLwhJQ5zc4
Oh and recording the whole thing of course
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In terms of OC'ing the 1700 I will be happy for 3.8-4Ghz. I assume the majority of them can do this?
I've not seen one that cannot do 3.8
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I'm using the Asus ones, no issues.
Happily sitting at 3800 @ 1.2v, only running 2400 DDR4 tho as l have 32gb of TEAM GROUP.
Is that on certain boards there hitting that or most boards?
What sort of temps also ?
Thanks
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It wasn't long ago, that the consensus was you don't need an i7 over an i5 and that memory speeds do not make that much of a difference, over capacity.
All of a sudden this is now reversed!
Just like 16Gb is the 8Gb, 8 'cores' is the new 4 when it comes to a gamers needs.
And with modern CPU architectures, RAM speed makes a big difference.
All of a sudden this is now reversed!
Just like 16Gb is the 8Gb, 8 'cores' is the new 4 when it comes to a gamers needs.
And with modern CPU architectures, RAM speed makes a big difference.
I've seen all kinds of boards do this. The only issue on higher clocks on cheaper boards is higher VRM temps.
Thanks again for your reply !
I assume with regards to RAM something like this would run fine ? Kingston Fury Black 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C15 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (HX424C15FBK2/32) £180 Seems decent price at the moment
I never use motherboard manufacturers' drivers, they are always out of date. Just grab them from the component manufacturers directly.
The reason for why ram speed now matters is that ryzen infinity fabric (what connects the 2 Core complexes) is tied directly to ram speed. So the higher the ram speed the faster the fabric is and therefor the faster the comunication between core complexes/CCX's.
I have had issues with a USB WiFi adaptor not working correctly with chipset drivers from component makers, but worked amazing from the manufacturer drivers. It isn't always cut and dry for these things.
This... 'Infinity Fabric' is a good and interesting bit of technology, it makes for lossless multi CPU platforms, which is fantastic for servers.
But i don't understand why Consumer Desktop CPU's are split into two halves like this, is it so that they can debug and perfect the Infinity Fabric microcode before Naples is launched?
Possibly right ...
it could be that its cheaper as well to keep it all the same for production costs...didn't Keller say a while back that it was a modular design re the CCX ..just keep adding them in blocks
I would imagine for speeds around 1800X stock even that's only an issue if feeding the CPU more voltage. That is:
That's pretty close to the 1800X default (Hardware.fr measured 1.221V @ 3.7GHz) but their board seemed to have some v-drop:
Look at the load consumption of 1800X stock vs their 3.8GHz with 1.2V.
Point being: if a board's VRM can handle stock 1800X it should be fine with a running CEUOTC's mild overclock.
I brought this up a few days ago, it's the same for MSI/Gigabyte.Chipset drivers on Asus webpage are 1.26Gb. On AMD page they are 110MB?
I think the conclusion we came to was that the 1.3GB pack contain the 32/64 bit drivers for every AMD chipset/GPU/etc, it's like a master pack (obviously it only installs drivers for hardware present).
I would imagine for speeds around 1800X stock even that's only an issue if feeding the CPU more voltage. That is:
That's pretty close to the 1800X default (Hardware.fr measured 1.221V @ 3.7GHz) but their board seemed to have some v-drop:
Look at the load consumption of 1800X stock vs their 3.8GHz with 1.2V.
Point being: if a board's VRM can handle stock 1800X it should be fine with a running CEUOTC's mild overclock.
Thats good and well but if you have a chip like mine where 3.9 requires 1.4v then you are going to need a good board. I wouldn't like to see the vrm heat at 1.4v on a low end b350 like the gigabyte AB350 gaming.
I would aim for higher speeds and something from the board manufacturers QVL.
2400 is gimping ryzen. Whilst 32gb cannot hit higher speeds yet there is every chance it will and you will be stuck at 2400. What will be your uses for this?