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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

harney said:
On prime they pick up for free but what's even stranger 1 was picked up and then the other two just a waste of time and effort really when they could have just refunded me the difference :( ... Re missing ...Its there system so there responsible...
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Ok thanks for the info.
Lol as you say surely the retailer could have just credited you the difference, and separate item pickups, oh dear lol.
 
I Was thinking of upgrading my video convertion pc (2600k) but no sure if its worth it as i would have to buy a gpu as well as we normally use the 2600 igpu for video.
 
chippy08 said:
I Was thinking of upgrading my video convertion pc (2600k) but no sure if its worth it as i would have to buy a gpu as well as we normally use the 2600 igpu for video.
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Could always just get the cheapest PCIe GPU there is, it only needs to display a desktop after all. Would still get the performance of 16 threads then.
 
Matrix said:
Is it worth paying more for the motherboard Asrock X370 Taichi over something like Asrock Killer?

I've only use Asus to be fair in the past always done me well .
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I've also always had Asus boards in the past but went with the Taichi this time round as it has better specs for my needs than the Crosshair. I would definitely recommend it, it was a breeze to set up and I've been pleased with features, performance and temperatures, etc. As AMD has pledged to continue with the AM4 socket for future generations I thought I would get decent motherboard and RAM and will hopefully then be able to just replace CPU and GPU in the future and keep everything else.

I'm pretty sure the Asrock killer doesn't have an external clock generator so that may be worth paying the extra for with the better power circuitry, for overclocking, as well as the better audio, extra ports, wifi, etc. The Killer board does have on-board video output though so will support future Ryzen APUs with built-in graphics, whereas the Taichi won't. I guess it just depends on your needs and whether the extra cost is worth justifying.
 
nemesisuk2 said:
I power on and off three times before boot with that bios if I use any other memory speed that 2133, Yet on F6c I can do 3200 while overclocked to 3.8ghz anything above that and down to 2667 I have to go.
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did you try switching core performance boost setting to auto? The on-off boot loop completely went away for me after that.
 
nkuk said:
I've also always had Asus boards in the past but went with the Taichi this time round as it has better specs for my needs than the Crosshair. I would definitely recommend it, it was a breeze to set up and I've been pleased with features, performance and temperatures, etc. As AMD has pledged to continue with the AM4 socket for future generations I thought I would get decent motherboard and RAM and will hopefully then be able to just replace CPU and GPU in the future and keep everything else.

I'm pretty sure the Asrock killer doesn't have an external clock generator so that may be worth paying the extra for with the better power circuitry, for overclocking, as well as the better audio, extra ports, wifi, etc. The Killer board does have on-board video output though so will support future Ryzen APUs with built-in graphics, whereas the Taichi won't. I guess it just depends on your needs and whether the extra cost is worth justifying.
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Thanks for your reply and the info I have no need for on board graphics and guess i would like to keep this board a while I assume some boards do help keep the temperatures down ? Also I guess something like the Crucial MX300 525GB SSD M2 2280 6Gbps 3D Nand Solid State Drive (CT525MX300SSD4) would fit in the M2 port fine on the Taichi ?

Another questions ( sorry for all the questions been out the loop for 6 years )

1700 vs the 1700X would it be best to buy the X as it won't need much overclocking to 4ghz where as the 1700 does and the X has the XFR ?

Thanks again guys.
 
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Matrix said:
Thanks for your reply and the info I have no need for on board graphics and guess i would like to keep this board a while I assume some boards do help keep the temperatures down ? Also I guess something like the Crucial MX300 525GB SSD M2 2280 6Gbps 3D Nand Solid State Drive (CT525MX300SSD4) would fit in the M2 port fine on the Taichi ?

Another questions ( sorry for all the questions been out the loop for 6 years )

1700 vs the 1700X would it be best to buy the X as it won't need much overclocking to 4ghz where as the 1700 does and the X has the XFR ?

Thanks again guys.
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If you plan not to OC and just use out of the box then get the x version ..bth as there all unlocked you may as well OC so i would assume you would be
so get the non x 1700 ....money saved put towards a better gfx or motherboard ..
 
I went for the 1700 and Asus Prime bundle yesterday as it was in offer.

The alternative was a 1700x and the MSI Carbon. All in all £100 difference!

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I don't mind to much that current and older titles might not perform on the Ryzen chips as well as the Intel's. But I've bought the 1700 as its an affordable 8 core chip and I expect 8 cores to be almost the minimum a gamer should expect to have when we move forward with gaming in 2017 and in to 2018.

Two things tipped the balance for me:

1. Seeing how cpu bottlenecked I was in the Division with my 3570k and 970.

2. If you look at system requirements for current AAA titles they are advising as recommended 8 core CPUs (4790k and 8350).

Let's hope BIOS's continue to improve, ram speeds gets sorted and game developers start to thread their games better!

I do feel like Ryzen will be popular amongst gamers. The combination of price/performance/cores is very tempting even if currently the top gaming chip is still the 7700k.

My advice to someone wanting to upgrade is, if you are someone that upgrades CPU regularly like within 2 years get the 7700k. It's also the chip for high refresh rates. If your someone looking for a chip to last 4+ years then the AM4 platform and Ryzen should be good. With AM4 AMD have said we will get 4 generations of Ryzen and future games should start to utilise more than 4 cores so the Ryzen architecture should start to shine.

Big if's and a lot of work to be done.

But I'm on the boat now! :D

Ryzen, the Bulldozer I never bought! ;)
 
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opethdisciple said:
I went for the 1700 and Asus Prime bundle yesterday as it was in offer.

The alternative was a 1700x and the MSI Carbon. All in all £100 difference!

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I don't mind to much that current and older titles might not perform on the Ryzen chips as well as the Intel's. But I've bought the 1700 as its an affordable 8 core chip and I expect 8 cores to be almost the minimum a gamer should expect to have when we move forward with gaming in 2017 and in to 2018.

Two things tipped the balance for me:

1. Seeing how could bottlenecked I was in the Division with my 3570k and 970.

2. If you look at system requirements for current AAA titles they are advising as recommended 8 core CPUs (4790k and 8350).

Let's hope BIOSes continue to improve, ram speeds gets sorted and game developers start to thread their games better!

I do feel like Ryzen will be popular amongst gamers. The combination of price/performance/cores is very tempting even if currently the top gaming chip is still the 7700k.

My advice to someone wanting to upgrade is, if you are someone that upgrades CPU regularly like within 2 years get the 7700k. It's also the chip for high refresh rates. If your someone looking for a chip to last 4+ years then the AM4 platform and Ryzen should be good. With AM4 AMD have said we will get 4 generations of Ryzen and future games should start to utilise more than 4 cores so the Ryzen architecture should start to shine.

Big if's and a lot of work to be done.

But I'm in the boat now! :D

Ryzen, the Bulldozer I never bought! ;)
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Good man! RAM is going to make all the difference with ryzen.
 
Two more points:

1. AMD saying that they will support AM4 for another 3 generations of Ryzen is nice. BUT.... they will also iron out the kinks in the mobo, and maybe we will need to upgrade those anyway to unlock all the optimisations they have managed that the 1st gen AM4 boards suffered with.

2. At the time I bought my 3570k, I waited for for the FX chips to launch as I wanted 8 cores. It was a flop and gaming performance was better on the 3570k. However fast forward 5 years, I am of the understanding that the 8350 is actually a better gaming CPU in modern titles than the 3570k? From from that I deduce that the current 4 core i7's will not out last the Ryzen 8 core chips and things should start to change in the next 1-2 years.
 
opethdisciple said:
Two more points:

1. AMD saying that they will support AM4 for another 3 generations of Ryzen is nice. BUT.... they will also iron out the kinks in the mobo, and maybe we will need to upgrade those anyway to unlock all the optimisations they have managed that the 1st gen AM4 boards suffered with.

2. At the time I bought my 3570k, I waited for for the FX chips to launch as I wanted 8 cores. It was a flop and gaming performance was better on the 3570k. However fast forward 5 years, I am of the understanding that the 8350 is actually a better gaming CPU in modern titles than the 3570k? From from that I deduce that the current 4 core i7's will not out last the Ryzen 8 core chips and things should start to change in the next 1-2 years.
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I hope you are wrong on the 1st one! I've brought my first high end motherboard for ryzen.
Without a doubt they will last longer than quad cores. BF1 already has the i7's almost pegged at 100%

This video might be of use to you.
 
gavinh87 said:
I hope you are wrong on the 1st one! I've brought my first high end motherboard for ryzen.
Without a doubt they will last longer than quad cores. BF1 already has the i7's almost pegged at 100%

This video might be of use to you.
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And there is that missing gaming performance..... nice.
 
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