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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

gavinh87 said:
You certainly can. 2666 seems to be the most common speed. What memory are you looking at going for?
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I'll be honest i'm not sure just want a hassle free set up really , was looking at this but i need 32gig 4x sticks https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...nnel-kit-black-red-tdprd416g32-my-075-tg.html

But them i'm thinking how much am i going to notice if i just use 2666 or 3000 it's for browsing and Virtual machines really maybe odd game like planet coaster ? Same really for using the Taichi but i want it to last for a while and coming from a 2600k i hoping to see a differance or am i best getting a less expensive board?

Thanks for your time again
 
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Drollic said:
For the sake of £50-100 and if you're keeping the board for years, I see no reason not to buy x370 with cooler running vrms and better components in general. They also look a lot better for the most part for those with windowed cases and wanting rgb.
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But you could spend £50-100 on better RAM or GFX card and have the same functionality for your personal use from the motherboard. VRM temps on both boards are not having a negative effect on the CPU overclocks and both well under max.
 
Scramz said:
I am failing to see any difference in CPU overclocking. Most B350 boards including my own are achieving the same overclocks or even better than X boards.

Seems to hit a CPU limitation more than a motherboard limitation.

Maybe be different with RAM when boards start to support better.
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That may be the case but if the next 2-3 generations of Ryzen CPUs overclock higher, then those who invested in better quality boards might be able to push their new chips further. It's impossible to know at this point.
 
DragonQ said:
That may be the case but if the next 2-3 generations of Ryzen CPUs overclock higher, then those who invested in better quality boards might be able to push their new chips further. It's impossible to know at this point.
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You are right, no one knows and it is all theoretical. At this moment in time, atleast till the next Ryzen lineup, it doesn't seem to make a difference in overclocking the CPU.

Also by the time next Ryzen lineup there maybe changes to the boards or CPU for that lineup release that would make current X boards obsolete for a new feature set, etc. Again that is also theoretical.

Here and now it seems they make no difference in overclocking the CPU.
 
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gavinh87 said:
Take a look at this chart to see whats working and what isn't. It explains a lot more than I can
http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread
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Thank you - very helpful! :)

Matrix said:
I'll be honest i'm not sure just want a hassle free set up really , was looking at this but i need 32gig 4x sticks https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...nnel-kit-black-red-tdprd416g32-my-075-tg.html

But them i'm thinking how much am i going to notice if i just use 2666 or 3000 it's for browsing and Virtual machines really maybe odd game like planet coaster ? Same really for using the Taichi but i want it to last for a while and coming from a 2600k i hoping to see a differance or am i best getting a less expensive board?

Thanks for your time again
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You'll notice no difference for browsing, no difference for old games (which will be easily within Ryzen's abiliies). VM's - maybe a little.
 
h4rm0ny said:
Thank you - very helpful! :)



You'll notice no difference for browsing, no difference for old games (which will be easily within Ryzen's abiliies). VM's - maybe a little.
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Was thinking for vm's it would run better with more cores and threads ?

As each machine I use has 2threads and 2 cores and 4 gig .
 
gavinh87 said:
You've done the right thing. Unless you fancy giving intel £1000 for their CPU lol
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Lol

Was looking at the 7700k till I seen the ryzen was out and what it could do .

Cores alone got my attention from amd.

So with the ram 2666 would run fine and not lose me to much compared to 3200 ?

What is speed of ram so important for gaming ?
 
Scramz said:
But you could spend £50-100 on better RAM or GFX card and have the same functionality for your personal use from the motherboard. VRM temps on both boards are not having a negative effect on the CPU overclocks and both well under max.
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You pay your money and make your choice and all that.
 
Matrix said:
Lol

Was looking at the 7700k till I seen the ryzen was out and what it could do .

Cores alone got my attention from amd.

So with the ram 2666 would run fine and not lose me to much compared to 3200 ?

What is speed of ram so important for gaming ?
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If I'm honest without looking at a FPS counter i couldnt tell any difference between 2666 and 3200. Benchmarks definitely show an improvement however. Then again i don't play many CPU intensive games. I'm currently playing overwatch and resident evil with the odd dip into world of Warcraft.
I was tempted by the 7700k myself because max FPS is a factor for me (144hz) but that's a dead platform. Ryzen can get quite close to the i7 whilst giving me double the cores for future proofing.
 
gavinh87 said:
If I'm honest without looking at a FPS counter i couldnt tell any difference between 2666 and 3200. Benchmarks definitely show an improvement however. Then again i don't play many CPU intensive games. I'm currently playing overwatch and resident evil with the odd dip into world of Warcraft.
I was tempted by the 7700k myself because max FPS is a factor for me (144hz) but that's a dead platform. Ryzen can get quite close to the i7 whilst giving me double the cores for future proofing.
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This was the decision I came too to. In fact I wouldn't have upgraded form my 3570k to a 7700k full stop. Still a four core chip and after nearly 10 years with a four core chip (QX9650 - 3570k) the last thing I wanted was another one!

However.... just to put the cat amongst the pigeons perhaps in some ways we are looking at this all wrong. When comparing Nvidia and AMD GPU's we don't look at GCN/CUDA cores as the two architectures are vastly different, so why are we looking at CPU's in the same way?
 
opethdisciple said:
This was the decision I came too to. In fact I wouldn't have upgraded form my 3570k to a 7700k full stop. Still a four core chip and after nearly 10 years with a four core chip (QX9650 - 3570k) the last thing I wanted was another one!

However.... just to put the cat amongst the pigeons perhaps in some ways we are looking at this all wrong. When comparing Nvidia and AMD GPU's we don't look at GCN/CUDA cores as the two architectures are vastly different, so why are we looking at CPU's in the same way?
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Because we are seeing games max out the i7 now. Bf1 I'm looking at you!
 
gavinh87 said:
If I'm honest without looking at a FPS counter i couldnt tell any difference between 2666 and 3200. Benchmarks definitely show an improvement however. Then again i don't play many CPU intensive games. I'm currently playing overwatch and resident evil with the odd dip into world of Warcraft.
I was tempted by the 7700k myself because max FPS is a factor for me (144hz) but that's a dead platform. Ryzen can get quite close to the i7 whilst giving me double the cores for future proofing.
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Am i also right in thinking i want single duel channel not quad channel ?

Thank you again
 
Matrix said:
Am i also right in thinking i want single duel channel not quad channel ?

Thank you again
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For the best ram speeds you want single ranked dual channel. If cost is no issue you want Samsung b die memory something like the gskill rgb 3200 cl14. People have been having success with the Corsair lpx 3200 though....
 
gavinh87 said:
For the best ram speeds you want single ranked dual channel. If cost is no issue you want Samsung b die memory something like the gskill rgb 3200 cl14. People have been having success with the Corsair lpx 3200 though....
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Thanks wish i could afford RGB sticks but £400ish not a chance . Was looking at these Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C16 3200MHz Quad Channel Kit - White (K32GX4M4B3200) ?


Thanks.
 
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