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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

To partner a Taichi or Crosshair VI for the long haul, what would be a better combination for gaming? an R7 1700 plus TeamGroup Dark Pro 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C15 or R5 1600 plus G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2x 8GB) 3600MHz DDR4 (Samsung B die)?
 
Scrumpy_Jack said:
To partner a Taichi or Crosshair VI for the long haul, what would be a better combination for gaming? an R7 1700 plus TeamGroup Dark Pro 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C15 or R5 1600 plus G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2x 8GB) 3600MHz DDR4 (Samsung B die)?
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R5 1600 plus G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2x 8GB) 3600MHz DDR4 (Samsung B die)

If its gaming only and cost is an issue

how much more is it to go 1700 + Gskill ?
 
Mickcas said:
Im currently running Corsair 3000mhz lpz ram at 2933 with no issues, CH6 board on bios 1002 using the DOCP profile
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It could be the LED 3000mhz having issues then.

Scrumpy_Jack said:
To partner a Taichi or Crosshair VI for the long haul, what would be a better combination for gaming? an R7 1700 plus TeamGroup Dark Pro 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C15 or R5 1600 plus G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2x 8GB) 3600MHz DDR4 (Samsung B die)?
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I went with the 3600 gskill. If for whatever reason we cant hit 3600 at least we can get 3200 with tighter timings.
 
harney said:
R5 1600 plus G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2x 8GB) 3600MHz DDR4 (Samsung B die)

If its gaming only and cost is an issue

how much more is it to go 1700 + Gskill ?
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I've found the G.skill memory for £239, R5 is aprox £220, Total £459. R7 1700 is £320 on OC along with the mem at £140, Total £460. Almost same costs depending on retailer. Guess what i want to know is it worth trading 2 cores 4 threads for faster ram speeds when its purely for gaming with overclock?
 
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Scrumpy_Jack said:
I've found the G.skill memory for £239, R5 is aprox £220, Total £459. R7 1700 is £320 on OC along with the mem at £140, Total £460. Almost same costs depending on retailer. Guess what i want to know is it worth trading 2 cores 4 threads for faster ram speeds when its purely for gaming with overclock?
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yes that is a difficult one to decide if cost is an issue

but if you are gaming only then my vote is r5 1600 with the gskill ...but even with 6c 12t its still good for creative stuff ... as its a £100 more for 2 more cores :confused: with the gskill..

You could drop down to a b350 board these msi tomahawks are great with the 1700's money saved go's towards the 1700
 
harney said:
yes that is a difficult one to decide if cost is an issue

but if you are gaming only then my vote is r5 1600 with the gskill ...but even with 6c 12t its still good for creative stuff ... as its a £100 more for 2 more cores :confused: with the gskill..

You could drop down to a b350 board these msi tomahawks are great with the 1700's money saved go's towards the 1700
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But what if those cores will be needed in the future, will you regret not spending £100 for 2 more cores and 4 more threads and end up purchasing a new cpu because of it?
Just a thought....
 
Scrumpy_Jack said:
I've found the G.skill memory for £239, R5 is aprox £220, Total £459. R7 1700 is £320 on OC along with the mem at £140, Total £460. Almost same costs depending on retailer. Guess what i want to know is it worth trading 2 cores 4 threads for faster ram speeds when its purely for gaming with overclock?
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It looks like the price of RAM has really risen in the last month, I paid £198 for the 3866 Trident Z RGB and it is now on sale for £269 from the same retailer just a few weeks later. The 3200mhz RGB Trident Z is £164 from another big retailer, that might be an option? With BIOS revisions you might be able to clock the RAM higher than its rated speed but thats just speculation. I guess it depends on what you would be mostly using the PC for, gaming or other tasks that would make use of the extra cores. Even with gaming, the extra cores may help with minimum frame rates with some games. May be worth waiting for the reviews to come in later today to get a better idea of how the R5's compare to R7?
 
gavinh87 said:
But what if those cores will be needed in the future, will you regret not spending £100 for 2 more cores and 4 more threads and end up purchasing a new cpu because of it?
Just a thought....
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Agree but it seems cost may be an issue ....this is why i think a b350 board money saved go 1700 with gskill
 
gavinh87 said:
But what if those cores will be needed in the future, will you regret not spending £100 for 2 more cores and 4 more threads and end up purchasing a new cpu because of it?
Just a thought....
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If gaming is your main priority then I wouldn't go for anything more than the R5 1400 right now in 2017, 4c8t is more than enough in the here and now, use it and abuse it for 12mths, then when the refined refresh of Ryzen comes along in 2018 with lower power, temps and better overclocking, move up to a 6 or 8 core when the games are there to make use of the extra cores.

The AM4 socket isn't going anywhere for a few years so no need to worry about a Mobo change being needed.
 
RomanN said:
Does anyone have Corsair Vengeance LED 32GB 3000MHz memory kit with CH6 and Ryzen. I will soon ask to setup new components and have previously asked on a memory thread about 3000mhz kits support for Ryzen, but I am not sure now that it will work even with XMP profile. Just thinking now about getting another kit :(

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...00mhz-dual-channel-kit-red-led-my-48g-cs.html
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I had 16gb of this kit. It works at 2666 on both the CH6 and tomahawk. If you want the best then get samsung b die memory
 
Cooper said:
If gaming is your main priority then I wouldn't go for anything more than the R5 1400 right now in 2017, 4c8t is more than enough in the here and now, use it and abuse it for 12mths, then when the refined refresh of Ryzen comes along in 2018 with lower power, temps and better overclocking, move up to a 6 or 8 core when the games are there to make use of the extra cores.

The AM4 socket isn't going anywhere for a few years so no need to worry about a Mobo change being needed.
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Wanted to stick with an x370 as it would probably be bettered suited when Ryzen + is launched in a year or 2. I've read that Ryzen responds really well to faster Ram so figured it would be worth losing 2 cores/4 threads for the faster Ram for now and when titles do start to advantage of 6+ cores i'd jump on 8c/16t version then in its revised form. Also leaked reviews show the R5 1600 overclocking to similar speeds as the R7 1700, just need to see some official reviews in the next few hours to confirm any performance difference between the R5 & R7's for gaming.
 
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