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Azrael1 · 25 Apr 2017 at 18:56

gavinh87 said:
Get a 1700 and overclock, save yourself some cash and get you get a cooler aswell.

Sorry but as there's sometimes less then £20 difference between them (1700 and 1700x) I will go for the 1700X myself personally.

Scougar · 25 Apr 2017 at 19:01

Only using a 970 in that review. Hmm. Whilst I am certain a LOT of people have those cards, I would have at least expected a 1060 or 480 instead. It is almost always GPU limited with a card below a 1080 and the 7700k doesn't outpace Ryzen unless you use a 1080 upwards.

gavinh87 · 25 Apr 2017 at 20:05

Scougar said:
Only using a 970 in that review. Hmm. Whilst I am certain a LOT of people have those cards, I would have at least expected a 1060 or 480 instead. It is almost always GPU limited with a card below a 1080 and the 7700k doesn't outpace Ryzen unless you use a 1080 upwards.

To be fair, theres not much between the 970/1060/480.

docsonic · 25 Apr 2017 at 23:18

Not a huge amount. As an example, my 480 benches 43 avg fps at 1440p in this benchmark, same preset. CPU is a 2500k at stock so definitely GPU limited, at least in this game

http://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Ryzen-vs-Intel-Charts-Deus-Ex-v3.jpg

opethdisciple · 26 Apr 2017 at 19:21

ID tech 6.

gavinh87 · 26 Apr 2017 at 19:56

Ryzen holding its own

eyetrip · 26 Apr 2017 at 21:29

Must be a mistake in their testing methodology - or so I'm sure some Intel fan boys will be in here chanting

Drollic · 26 Apr 2017 at 21:38

eyetrip said:
Must be a mistake in their testing methodology - or so I'm sure some Intel fan boys will be in here chanting

Let's be realistic, it's beaten by over 8% on averages by a 4 core cpu released in 2013. Best dig out the slide showing a split second of bf1 nearly maxing out an i7 again

Martini1991 · 26 Apr 2017 at 21:43

Drollic said:
Let's be realistic, it's beaten by over 8% on averages by a 4 core cpu released in 2013. Best dig out the slide showing a split second of bf1 nearly maxing out an i7 again

Ha, I didn't want to comment, but that graph's not exactly a ringing endorsement of Zen superiority.
It's more "In line", the fact it's an 1800X means that it's outpaced by the cheaper 6700.

The Bulldozer performance is hilarious though, and really neuters that "It'll get better" mantra as we're 6 years on from launch almost.

Either way, 1700's still the absolute best buy CPU right now.

opethdisciple · 26 Apr 2017 at 21:45

Martini1991 said:
Ha, I didn't want to comment, but that graph's not exactly a ringing endorsement of Zen superiority.
It's more "In line", the fact it's an 1800X means that it's outpaced by the cheaper 6700.

The Bulldozer performance is hilarious though, and really neuters that "It'll get better" mantra as we're 6 years on from launch almost.

Either way, 1700's still the absolute best buy CPU right now.

Well the FX CPU's when compared to the i5 of that time (2500k and 3570k) have supposedly aged better.

Martini1991 · 26 Apr 2017 at 21:56

opethdisciple said:
Well the FX CPU's when compared to the i5 of that time (2500k and 3570k) have supposedly aged better.

The FX 8150 launched at i7 2600K pricing.
DOW 3 shows the i5 2500K smashing both the BD and PD.

I think for the majority of new games the FX83 is perhaps still viable though, but so are the i5's.

eyetrip · 26 Apr 2017 at 22:37

Honestly, I couldn't care about Ryzen only matching the current i7's or being a little behind in gaming .

Didn't get it for a pure gaming machine. For multitasking they r7's are far better value for money than anything else Intel have.

teppic · 26 Apr 2017 at 22:41

Ryzen is basically what Piledriver should have been - lots of threads for excellent multithreaded loads but also very solid per core performance and a good platform beneath.

Martini1991 · 26 Apr 2017 at 22:41

eyetrip said:
Honestly, I couldn't care about Ryzen only matching the current i7's or being a little behind in gaming .

Didn't get it for a pure gaming machine. For multitasking they r7's are far better value for money than anything else Intel have.

Can't knock the Ryzen 1700 for what it is, for what it offers performance and price wise.
But I just don't understand why you had to come out with something about Intel fanboys.

I own a 1700 myself, came from a 4770K and absolutely happy with my purchase.

Martini1991 · 26 Apr 2017 at 22:42

teppic said:
Ryzen is basically what Piledriver should have been - lots of threads for excellent multithreaded loads but also very solid per core performance and a good platform beneath.

Disagree, it's what Bulldozer should have been.

Piledriver couldn't be any better than what it was.

teppic · 26 Apr 2017 at 22:45

Martini1991 said:
Disagree, it's what Bulldozer should have been.

Piledriver couldn't be any better than what it was.

Well they're basically the same architecture.

Martini1991 · 26 Apr 2017 at 22:48

teppic said:
Well they're basically the same architecture.

Which is why the buck falls with Bulldozer

eyetrip · 26 Apr 2017 at 22:55

Martini1991 said:
Can't knock the Ryzen 1700 for what it is, for what it offers performance and price wise.
But I just don't understand why you had to come out with something about Intel fanboys.

I own a 1700 myself, came from a 4770K and absolutely happy with my purchase.

God man, I was only taking the mick!

teppic · 26 Apr 2017 at 22:57

Martini1991 said:
Which is why the buck falls with Bulldozer

True. Piledriver is still on sale though in the FX series

opethdisciple · 26 Apr 2017 at 23:29

eyetrip said:
Honestly, I couldn't care about Ryzen only matching the current i7's or being a little behind in gaming .

Didn't get it for a pure gaming machine. For multitasking they r7's are far better value for money than anything else Intel have.

There is that immeasurable quality tho that raw fps probably doesn't show and that's the smooth factor by having a high thread count.

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