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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Associate
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Great board, just be careful when flashing BIOS update. Always use M-Flash via BIOS
Just reading a review of that board and have a semi-related question. It says idle power on both that and another B350 board is ~55 W, even at stock. This seems really high to me considering my Sandy Bridge Celeron HTPC draws about the same when playing SD video via a GPU. I'm sure its idle power is under 55 W and that's 6 year old kit! I know the Ryzen CPU they tested has more cores but I'd still expect advances in CPU and motherboard technology (smaller nodes, power states, etc.) to lower idle consumption a lot, not keep it the same.
you 'came under fire' because you're blatantly lying to try and justify your own purchase.
seripusly there are dozens of benchmarks of games like arma 3 and elder scrolls online, fallout 4 (single threaded games like the ones you apparently used)
they are literially 60-100% slower on the ryzen 1700x at 4 than a kabylake at 4ghz.
you're basically saying, in SINGLE THREADED tasks your higher ipc, higher clocked cpu is slower, which literially goes agasint anything anybody else has ever found.
if you think you're correct, please post a video with graphs showing your ryzen beating your sjylak e in a single threaded game. until then it's BS
Soldato
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The problem i and many others on this forum have is your blatant fanboyism and anti AMD tirade, not only here but on the AMD reddit, i can link countless posts with your constant naysaying and negativity towards AMD. If you dont like the products, fine, but please dont haunt the AMD threads with your constant vitriol towards them, people come here for advice with AMD products, not a one sided crusade against them from someone with a personal grudge against them...
Also again you are basing your argument vs them in extremely badly optomised games running on old single threaded Intel compiled engines, but even then the AMD cpu's are still able to maintain more than respectable FPS numbers.
You are quite frankly becoming repetitive and boring and i hope shortly a mod comes along and bans you for constant trolling.
Just have a look for his reddit posts, he's spewing the same trash everywhere.
I'm trolling when I'm merely asking for proof on wild claims about how suddenly for one user, ryzen suddenly has +20-30% higher ipc in single threaded workloads?
right....
btw, on the amd reddit I spend half my time helping people with issues on their setups. the only "anti amd " things I say are when people make up fake claims to make the product look better than it is.
hence why I paid for and tested ryzen setups myself.
fwiw I'm a 'fanboy' of tech, I just post information to help uninformed buyers out that may be given false promises of performance that isn't there.
if you honestly honestly think that ryzen has a 25% ipc lead over Intel in single threaded tasks as panos has suggested then clearly you would rather recommended a sub par product to someone and lie to make it seem better.
Soldato
Can't we vote for a ban or something?
It's tiring now, it's the same trash in these CPU threads.
It's tiring now, it's the same trash in these CPU threads.
Associate
Well said.
Caporegime
Just ignore him, by constantly replying to him you're just giving him a platform to troll on.
He just quoted relatively new games, and none of which you can prove are 'old single threaded Intel compiled engines'.
This is a forum, don't like what someone says, you can either ignore or post back with your opinion. What you shouldn't be doing is posting:
Caporegime
The term single threaded is completely mis used sometimes
Calling a game that favours IPC due to a low thread count utilisation isn't a single threaded game. Don't know why people say single threaded as a blanket statement. Faster cores beat slower cores regardless of the number of cores used until one is using more cores than another due to having more and such game being equipped to make use of the extra cores.
And I do imagine there's quite a few games that an Intel performs better than ryzen. People shouldn't be so bothered about that. As a ryzen owner I don't need to think it's going to be the best performance all the time. I am however entirely confident of ifs longevity and its overall performance made me ditch an i7 Haswell and I don't regret that at all.
Calling a game that favours IPC due to a low thread count utilisation isn't a single threaded game. Don't know why people say single threaded as a blanket statement. Faster cores beat slower cores regardless of the number of cores used until one is using more cores than another due to having more and such game being equipped to make use of the extra cores.
And I do imagine there's quite a few games that an Intel performs better than ryzen. People shouldn't be so bothered about that. As a ryzen owner I don't need to think it's going to be the best performance all the time. I am however entirely confident of ifs longevity and its overall performance made me ditch an i7 Haswell and I don't regret that at all.
Caporegime
It was the same with the bulldozers and piledrivers. AMD owners couldn't cope that their CPU wasn't perfect.
This time round though the compromise on total core for core performance is nullified by the overall performance for the relative price.
This time round though the compromise on total core for core performance is nullified by the overall performance for the relative price.
Caporegime
Its not quite that one sided tho, there are also Intel owners who want to exaggerate any deficit that AMD have.
my post was in response to him saying he 'came under fire' because he has some magical 1800x that has 30% odd higher ipc than any other ryzen cpu.
even the people arguing against me (for whatever reason) seem to agree with him, even when they argue the opposite.
simply put, panos has a 6700k at 4.8ghz, and a 4ghz 1800x, this puts the 6700k at roughly 30% faster in single threaded/low thread count games, we've seen this proven by arma 3 and fallout and ESO etc, YES before anyone says they are slightly 'older titles' but why are you arguing that their single threaded? this is the entire point of this discussion.
siDeards,humbug do you then think that ryzen has a 30% ipc lead over skylake and that ryzen performs better in old unpotimisied single thread titles than a higher clocked skylake? because thats what panos is saying and you are agreeing with.
Caporegime
Well being on the Intel side since 2011 due to no viable AMD products I certainly remember it that way.
Caporegime
I don't understand how that relates to what i said ^^^^ this isn't 2011, i'm talking about how Intel users exaggerate how much better their CPU's are than Ryzen.
No, i don't, This is just trolling..... I'll let Panos respond to you on what he did and didn't say.
No, i don't, This is just trolling..... I'll let Panos respond to you on what he did and didn't say.
Caporegime
I've not really seen much exaggerating for Intel
Although the basis of an Intel chip being "better" is certainly up debate.
Although the basis of an Intel chip being "better" is certainly up debate.
Don
Guys, please discuss respectfully. If you don't like the arguments a poster is using, put them on ignore.