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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

@AndreiD Of course they are not linked, you put a larger better than TDP cooler on it and it can exceeded its TDP rating, especially if you overclock it, in fact then it will.

You know what, i'm running out of ways to explain this..... lets do it your way.

i5 8250U 15 Watts + MX150 25 Watts = 40 Watts: actual power consumption 50 Watts, thats 25% over TDP but well'll just ignore that, eh?

Ryzen 5 2500U + i can't remember the name of the IGPU = 15 Watts, apparently: actual power consumption 45 Watts 3 times TDP but we still have those blinkers on so....... yeah.

The battery life is a few minutes longer on the Intel system out of 5 hours, they are both just over 5 hours on identical systems.
The CPU performance is a bit better on the Ryzen System, not a lot, its a bit, Ryzen's iGPU is 3 times faster than Intel's but the one you want us to look at is a different laptop using an nVidia SoC GPU, essentially a glued on GT 1030, it scores about 2600 in Firestrike the Ryzen iGPU about 2200, so about an 18% difference in performance.

The GT 1030 is a Pascal card, the Ryzen APU has a Vega GPU in it, we know Pascal is a lot more power efficient than Vega, right? the performance per watt is much higher with Pascal.

Your Intel Laptop, with its slower CPU and GT 1030 is using 10 watts more power, thats 10% more than the Ryzen Laptop, that leaves at best 10% to the Pascal GPU, does the Pascal GPU have 10% better performance per watt, or is it more than that? whats the power consumption of Vega 56, my 1070 is 150 Watts, is Vega 56 165 Watts? or is it about 250 Watts?

Now, with all of that considered what exactly is your point in all of this, why did you post those slides comparing power consumption between these different AMD and Intel configured Laptops?

Because it, 'like the rest of the slides posted by me and you' does not make Intel efficiency look much good compared with the AMD systems.
 
But that's power consumption for the entire laptop, including RAM & various other chipsets in it...
I'm not sure what you're even trying to explain after I gave you the literal AMD definition.

In my opinion even if perf/W isn't quite there yet, AMD still did pretty well given they're using an inferior process and their APU has a much larger die. It's pretty competitive and its own niche as in there's nothing with the same amount of iGPU performance available in that TDP range.
 
Why at the same clockspeeds. Zeppelin and Intel designs are different, and work at optimal at different frequencies.

You can build a 1GHz chip that is faster than the 5GHz i8700. And I think this is a very well known fact.

You cannot really compare then. Its all good saying ryzen is more efficient than coffeelake but playing field isn't level.
My watch is more efficient that ryzen, doesn't make it any better.
 
But that's power consumption for the entire laptop, including RAM & various other chipsets in it...
I'm not sure what you're even trying to explain after I gave you the literal AMD definition.

In my opinion even if perf/W isn't quite there yet, AMD still did pretty well given they're using an inferior process and their APU has a much larger die. It's pretty competitive and its own niche as in there's nothing with the same amount of iGPU performance available in that TDP range.

Your Literal AMD definition agrees with me, what makes you think it agrees with you?

"even if perf/W isn't quite there yet"
How do you work that ^^^ out? with higher CPU performance the AMD system is using less power than the Intel system using a far more power efficient GPU, that was your own slide.

You didn't grasp what i said to you in the difference between the two systems.

I'll spell it out:

The AMD system is using a much more power hungry GPU than the Intel system (Pascal vs Vega) and yet despite this the AMD system is using less power, so the difference can only be down to the CPU's, so because the AMD sytem being on the more power hungry GPU also using less power and having a faster CPU can only mean the AMD CPU is more power efficient than the Intel one and there in has greater performance per watt.
 
You cannot really compare then. Its all good saying ryzen is more efficient than coffeelake but playing field isn't level.
My watch is more efficient that ryzen, doesn't make it any better.

Ryzen is more efficient than the i7s. Ryzen gives more performance at the same power consumption, regardless if the clockspeed is 3 or 4GHz.
Clear now? :D
 
I still find it funny how humbug has been banging the ryzen drum since its release yet is still using an i5 :rolleyes:
I know defeats the logic of what a fanboy is.

You on the other hand were banging the Ryzen drum quite hard when using the Ryzen, then the 8700k caught your eye so you began banging the Intel drum even harder. Ear muffs recommended :D.
 
Full load slide too to be fair which is less dramatic, the 7700K is even with the 1800X, but, full load the 1800X is much faster than the 7700K so yeah the Performance per watt is very much on AMD's side.


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I know defeats the logic of what a fanboy is.

You on the other hand were banging the Ryzen drum quite hard when using the Ryzen, then the 8700k caught your eye so you began banging the Intel drum even harder. Ear muffs recommended :D.

Having tried and still owning both, I merely share my experiences :)
 
20 newish games tested on the HP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdgMv_9A0z8


00:01 - Destiny 2 03:12 - Titanfall 2 05:32 - Rise of the Tomb Raider 08:09 - Microsoft Flight Simulator X Steam Edition (1080p) 10:51 - Project CARS 12:39 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 14:56 - Micro Machines World Series 16:56 - Redout 18:53 - The Crew 20:53 - Rainbow Six Siege 22:33 - Crysis 3 25:21 - Total War: Warhammer II 26:21 - Overwatch 29:56 - Battlefield 1 Multiplayer 64 32:40 - Fortnite 35:28 - Middle-earth: Shadow Of War 38:30 - Rocket League 40:55 - Dota 2 44:13 - Counter-strike: Global Offensive (CS:GO) 46:10 - Far Cry Primal

Another 9 tested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqGnYR_bNIg


00:01 - Wolfenstein II 02:46 - Pro Evolution Soccer 2018 05:36 - Mad Max 08:43 - Metal Gear Solid V 14:39 - TrackMania Turbo 15:49 - CoD: Infinite Warfare 18:23 - Overwatch 20:23 - Assasins Creed: Origins 22:33 - Far Cry Primal

Yet another 12 games tested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9MYwQbR5bc


00:01 - Watch Dogs 2 02:12 - Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (DirectX 11) 04:13 - X-Plane 11 08:23 - The Surge 10:28 - Team Fortress 2 12:09 - Sniper: Ghost Warrior 3 13:40 - Prey 16:09 - Mortal Kombat XL 19:18 - Killer Instinct 21:04 - Fallout 4 24:25 - The Witcher 3 32:29 - Ashes of the Singularity: Escalation (DirectX 12)

So 41 games tested in total. I am surprised the IGP can even run some of those titles. I am definitely interested to see how the Ryzen 7 Mobile and the Ryzen Mobile Gaming SKUs will performance when they are released.

Talking about gaming performance,it seems there have been some more leaks.

So the leaked Ryzen Gaming SKU is the 35W and 65W TDP mobile version of the Ryzen APU:

https://videocardz.com/74464/amd-preparing-mobile-ryzen-5-apu-with-vega-11-graphics

The 2400G seems to have full Vega 11 with 704 shaders.

The 65W TDP version seems pointless,IMHO OFC, for a laptop unless they have gotten around the bandwidth limitations!! It could be for a NUC-like device??

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Talking about gaming performance,it seems there have been some more leaks.

So the leaked Ryzen Gaming SKU is the 35W and 65W TDP mobile version of the Ryzen APU:

https://videocardz.com/74464/amd-preparing-mobile-ryzen-5-apu-with-vega-11-graphics

The 2400G seems to have full Vega 11 with 704 shaders.

The 65W TDP version seems pointless,IMHO OFC, for a laptop unless they have gotten around the bandwidth limitations!! It could be for a NUC-like device??

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Meanwhile desktop series are also making an appearance. Raven Ridge APU featuring 28 CUs (1792 Stream Processors) has been spotted along alongside Fenghuang Raven platform (engineering board).

What?

The RX 570 has 2048. Thats high settings AAA 1080P level graphics in an APU!
 
TBH,I still think that its mostly like the GPU part of that Intel CPU and GPU combo they are doing,but even if AMD do make something like that its not going to be cheap!!

Yeah, but that depends on the definition of cheap, this APU has 70% more stream processors than the RX 560 and thats over £100, it will probably perform somewhere between an RX 560 and RX 570 and have a 4 core 8 thread Ryzen + / 2 12nm CPU.
Will it be around £200? can anyone see it being more £300, is £200 cheap? is £300 too expensive?
 
I'll believe it when I can order one (R.E. descret level graphics perf from an APU).

65W is not a lot to dissipate from a laptop. There's been Intel (up to 45w) + nVidia (up to 75w) in "normal" sized laptops for yonks
 
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