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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Looking forward to another upgrade in 2019 when these 7nm/10nm stuff comes out. Think we will (hopefully) see decent gains then.
 
Jono8 said:
Looking forward to another upgrade in 2019 when these 7nm/10nm stuff comes out. Think we will (hopefully) see decent gains then.
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My 2500k will be 7 years old by then :/ If only either side was planning to release something major in 2018. Alas, nothing. 2019/2020 for the next proper big thing, as you say.
 
humbug said:
Bold claim. Intel have very very deep pockets, they have $100bn to throw at the problem and if that gets them process leadership back they wont think twice about it.

Intel will not give up any feather out of their cap, never mind this the largest of peacock ones without a massive fight.
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All the big names - GloFo, TSMC, Intel, Samsung purchase their semiconductors equipment from the same place(s).
If Intel can buy the latest and greatest lithography, so do all the others.
 
humbug said:
Bold claim. Intel have very very deep pockets, they have $100bn to throw at the problem and if that gets them process leadership back they wont think twice about it.

Intel will not give up any feather out of their cap, never mind this the largest of peacock ones without a massive fight.
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They may well have deep pockets but they may not want to reach too far into them considering the desktop processor market is a shrinking one and data center, mobile market ect is a growing one.

We have already seen the gap shrink by a large amount and unless they get these 10nm chips out soon with good results, that lead may vanish altogether.
 
Doobedoo said:
They may well have deep pockets but they may not want to reach too far into them considering the desktop processor market is a shrinking one and data center, mobile market ect is a growing one.

We have already seen the gap shrink by quite a high margin and unless they get these 10nm chips out soon that lead may vanish altogether.
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It's good for the whole world if Intel loses traction - they are sluggish with innovations. So many millions if not billions of users are still sitting on several-year-old processors.
Because of Intel.
 
Since its GF,I think I will wait and see on how good it is in reality. My main concern is that 32NM was solid but was delayed,28NM missed its targets,20NM was cancelled and their original 14NM failed(so they needed to license Samsung tech). I am hoping it will buck the trend since IBM is involved this time(think 32NM had their involvement and turned out to be decent). It would be really nice to see AMD back on a decent process nodes for desktops again - I can remember back in the old days,when AMD even managed to get to some milestones BEFORE Intel,ie,things like copper interconnects,etc.
 
Doobedoo said:
They may well have deep pockets but they may not want to reach too far into them considering the desktop processor market is a shrinking one and data center, mobile market ect is a growing one.

We have already seen the gap shrink by a large amount and unless they get these 10nm chips out soon with good results, that lead may vanish altogether.
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Yeah fair point.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Since its GF,I think I will wait and see on how good it is in reality. My main concern is that 32NM was solid but was delayed,28NM missed its targets,20NM was cancelled and their original 14NM failed(so they needed to license Samsung tech). I am hoping it will buck the trend since IBM is involved this time(think 32NM had their involvement and turned out to be decent). It would be really nice to see AMD back on a decent process nodes for desktops again - I can remember back in the old days,when AMD even managed to get to some milestones BEFORE Intel,ie,things like copper interconnects,etc.
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And knew about it long before launch of these nodes with lots of negative press, this one seems different, the relevant press is very upbeat and optimistic this time, i think by now they must know if its any good, at this stage it will have gone some extensive testing already, we are just a couple of months away from risk production, they should know at this point.
 
humbug said:
And knew about it long before launch of these nodes with lots of negative press, this one seems different, the relevant press is very upbeat and optimistic this time, i think by now they must know if its any good, at this stage it will have gone some extensive testing already, we are just a couple of months away from risk production, they should know at this point.
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I seriously hope it is,GF not delivering is part of the reason AMD gets some of the negativity they get!!
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I seriously hope it is,GF not delivering is part of the reason AMD gets some of the negativity they get!!
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Yeah i remember suggesting AMD should ditch GF all together for a lot of crap they caused and dragged AMD through.
But GF was their foundry, they still own a chunk of it, i think.

If GF do right this time round everything from the past is forgiven.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I seriously hope it is,GF not delivering is part of the reason AMD gets some of the negativity they get!!
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Why was that? Did customers put orders which AMD couldn't fulfill?
We can contribute to put AMD again up on strong legs. And it is everyone of us has to be objective with all their products' positives and advantages, so to buy AMD products!
 
4K8KW10 said:
Why was that? Did customers put orders which AMD couldn't fulfill?
We can contribute to put AMD again up on strong legs. And it is everyone of us has to be objective with all their products' positives and advantages, so to buy AMD products!
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A lot of AMD products missed their clock targets since GF screwed up - Kaveri was meant to hit much higher clockspeeds with GF 28NM(look at the original slides for it),and GF screwed up meaning AMD had to ship the product late and with lower clockspeeds. GF 32NM was delayed months,GF 20NM was cancelled as they had problems,and GF 14NM was cancelled,and they had to license a Samsung process instead. Then look at Polaris - it actually had multiple revisions(it appears GF didn't quite hit the clockspeeds AMD expected so AMD probably needed to bump up voltage to compensate). AMD sadly due to WSA was stuck with them,and this is partly why they ditched TSMC last cycle for their GPUs,which they never had done before.

I honestly hope since IBM is involved this time,it goes much smoother.
 
These node shrinks are getting harder and harder.
Just look at the trouble Intel is having with 10nm, articles sprouting how wonderful and early a new process is, are great, but we all need the actual products, not the hype/spiel that comes with it.
 
FoxEye said:
My 2500k will be 7 years old by then :/ If only either side was planning to release something major in 2018. Alas, nothing. 2019/2020 for the next proper big thing, as you say.
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You'd see large gains upgrading with what's already out. 8700ks are over twice as powerful. Old i5s are already hampered in multi threaded games, my i5 was, even overclocked. Loads of people state the increases aren't worth it, however those small increases over a period of years add up. My i7 is dated now and will soon struggle I think.
 
Drollic said:
You'd see large gains upgrading with what's already out. 8700ks are over twice as powerful. Old i5s are already hampered in multi threaded games, my i5 was, even overclocked. Loads of people state the increases aren't worth it, however those small increases over a period of years add up. My i7 is dated now and will soon struggle I think.
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I'm planning on pulling the trigger in 2018. Want to see what Zen1 refresh looks like first.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
A lot of AMD products missed their clock targets since GF screwed up - Kaveri was meant to hit much higher clockspeeds with GF 28NM(look at the original slides for it),and GF screwed up meaning AMD had to ship the product late and with lower clockspeeds. GF 32NM was delayed months,GF 20NM was cancelled as they had problems,and GF 14NM was cancelled,and they had to license a Samsung process instead. Then look at Polaris - it actually had multiple revisions(it appears GF didn't quite hit the clockspeeds AMD expected so AMD probably needed to bump up voltage to compensate). AMD sadly due to WSA was stuck with them,and this is partly why they ditched TSMC last cycle for their GPUs,which they never had done before.

I honestly hope since IBM is involved this time,it goes much smoother.
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Lots of calamities that contributed to AMD's difficulties.
 
12NM Ryzen and the X400 series chipset are launching in April:

https://videocardz.com/74685/amd-zen-12nm-ryzen-and-x470-motherboards-to-launch-in-april

The existing Ryzen CPUs seem to be getting some price cuts:

https://videocardz.com/74696/amd-announces-ryzen-1000-series-price-cuts

The Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G APUs are launching in February! IGP performance looks solid:

https://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/113897-amd-details-2018-plans-ryzen-cpus/
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-and-ryzen-3-2200g-apus-performance-unveiled

It seems the Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G are replacing the Ryzen 5 1400 and Ryzen 3 1200 at the same price-points:

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-and-ryzen-3-2200g-apus-performance-unveiled

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Ryzen 3 mobile is also announced and will be released this month:

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-announces-ryzen-3-mobile
https://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/113897-amd-details-2018-plans-ryzen-cpus/

The first 2C/4T Ryzen part too with 3 CUs.
 
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