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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Klo said:
PUBG is very badly programmed though.
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Yeah,its like most early access games,optimisation is the last thing to happen,ie,its more an excuse to get a free loan on a alpha/beta game to fund development. OTH,at least if someone wants to play it,it seems doable on an APU,especially in light of the ripoff card prices.

4K8KW10 said:
The entire industry with those not competing AMD in the graphics department, games that technically rival their 5-10-year-old predecessors, the mining craze, just more and more looks like a terrible circus in which some big sharks earn a lot of money, and the poor consumers get ever more poor... :rolleyes:
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Its all quite a shame TBH - look at the shambles over Final Fantasy. It seems devs seem to be taking the mickey when it comes to PC games nowadays. Early access is another part of it all - release a totally unoptimised game,then release DLC and microtransactions,and then only optimise it when the eventual console release turns up. Then you have the other devs,who parrot the same POS ancient engine which is useless at using any modern CPU or card to a decent degree,since its cheaper than developing a proper new engine. Yes,Bethesda I am looking at you and I actually like the Fallout and Elder Scroll series.
 
Tbh, it's not really relevant whether a game is optimised or not. Feels like everything except AAA titles goes to early access and spends 2+ years of its life there. To be a really viable option, these APUs need to handle all the needless load that a not-very-experienced indie dev can inflict on them when given access to a heavy duty engine.

Still, keeps the economy going. If game devs spent all their time optimising, we'd all still be on 5 year old GPUs because they'd be good enough ;)
 
eddiew said:
Tbh, it's not really relevant whether a game is optimised or not. Feels like everything except AAA titles goes to early access and spends 2+ years of its life there. To be a really viable option, these APUs need to handle all the needless load that a not-very-experienced indie dev can inflict on them when given access to a heavy duty engine.
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PUBG is actually made by a Bluehole who are behind quite a large Asian MMO called Tera,so its not really their first rodeo. Even AAA devs seem to be going Early Access,like Epic and Fortnite.

Also,I don't think getting 35FPS to 50FPS with 2666MHZ RAM on PUBG at 1080p is bad at all(providing these are valid results),considering its still deep in Early Access.


eddiew said:
Still, keeps the economy going. If game devs spent all their time optimising, we'd all still be on 5 year old GPUs because they'd be good enough ;)
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Yeah,imagine if they did optimise,imagine what amazing stuff we could see if they did. I mean look at some games like HZD for example,far more impressive on lowish hardware specs then it deserves to be. The PC tends to be more powerful too,but very poorly utilised,and AMD and Nvidia seem to be drip feeding improvements if you are on more peasant level budgets under £300.
 
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The chap who did the earlier livestream compiled his results into a shorter video. He was using 32GB of 2666MHZ DDR4.
Mining seems to suck on the CPU,but the lack of L3 cache causes problems.
 
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Martini1991 said:
What happened to the dedicated HBM for the APU's?
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Not sure but a reasonable guess is that it made the chips too expensive for a minor performance improvement. We know Intel's Broadwell-C chips benefited hugely from the (only 128 MiB of) eDRAM but this is a different architecture and environment, e.g. DDR4 instead of DDR3, higher memory prices, AMD already being far ahead in IGP performance so not necessarily needing HBM yet, etc.

Intel also dropped eDRAM in Skylake onwards, maybe for similar reasons.
 
Darren_uk said:
I Am using the 2400G for Retro/Emulation & Classic Dos Games/DosBox, GOG
Got my Ryzen 7 1700 with GTX 1070 PC for new Titles.
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You gonna get a NUC or similar SFF PC? I'm wondering if we'll see mITX X470 boards this time around (not that you really need anything more than a B350/450 in that form factor).
 
@DragonQ NUC a mini PC as limits, like ports & Can,t really upgrade the hardware since its made already with parts that not easy to get & need to be certain parts.like a special motherboard that is smaller than a ITX
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Getting, ITX AM4 Motherboard & Malo ITX 7 Liters Case,
Build my own,

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Silverstone ML09 Case 7.00 liters
16GB DDR 4 Memory
Ryzen 2400G
Noctua NH-L12S LOW PROFILE CPU COOLER
GA-AB350N-Gaming WIFI, Don't need to wait for B450/X470,
1 x 250GB M.2 SSD
1 x 2TB or 4TB 2.5" HDD Storage
Silverstone or Corsair SFX PSU 450/600watt

16GB Memory I be using since the Built-in Graphics be using It also
8GB may also be Fine
 
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I wonder if a pico psu can run the 2400g. I built two mini's using 160w pico running Llano A83820's. Although when I upgraded to Kaveri A7600's they crashed using heavy graphics. Total system power on the A83800's was lower but maybe the graphic cores wanted too much.

I have to say the 2200g / 2400g is next on my list/
 
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Pico PSU, you be very limited & only goto 160watt , 2400G will need 65watts or more if OC, Worth a try & see, but What about Hardware Protection from Power
Protection: Over power protection, Over voltage protection, Under voltage protection, Short circuit protection you need & only 4 pin power for 12v motherboard input

Could have 1 SATA drive 2.5" & use an m.2 SSD on motherboard
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Darren_uk said:
Pico PSU, you be very limited & only goto 160watt , 2400G will need 65watts or more if OC,
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Yeah, I know that and I was quite surprised that a 160w pico could run a 4 core 65w A8 @2.5 / 2.8 Ghz. (incl ssd and 1tb storage drive). Admittedly no over clocking but then again that wasn't the reason it was built. Low profile cpu fan with 2 80mm extractor fans and it was good.
If the 2200g / 2400g are as good as they seem then I would be going for under volting rather than overclocking.
 
I plan on using my pico psu on the 2400g as well and have been using an old 65watt tdp cpu and 3 hard drives and one ssd without any issues for 4 years so hopefully the 2400g will be OK as well.
 
In the video of the guy testing his 2400g that he got early from elsewhere. He tested the power at the wall and it showed the whole system pulling about 95w from the wall
 
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