*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[Panos]

Lo guys, so i have turned to the red team for the first time in 10 years, got a 2700x and Asus rog strix x470-F. All went smoothly but im at a loss at all the options in the bios, my temps seem pretty high at 70c in Cinebench and 55c in basic games ive tested.

I have a pretty beefy cooler in the Thermalright Macho but im surprised at how much the temps fluctuate on this chip, idle can be anywhere from 35 to 50c. Im a n00b clocker so what should i be looking at to get the temps down but boost still high?

PS: Ive set windows to balanced power so the EDC is thankfully not at 105%

Asus is pretty generous to the power delivery :/
Does it have any power offsets?

 

[Grandmaster Fap!]

Asus is pretty generous to the power delivery :/
Does it have any power offsets?

This board has a million options so ive no idea what power offset would look like. Ive loaded HWInfo and it tells me that my cores are boosting to 4.3 but with 1.53 volts, something tells me that a bit high

 

[Panos]

This board has a million options so ive no idea what power offset would look like. Ive loaded HWInfo and it tells me that my cores are boosting to 4.3 but with 1.53 volts, something tells me that a bit high

TOO MUCH POWERRRRRR
1.38-1.4 max. There are offsets look at guides

 

[Hagar]

This board has a million options so ive no idea what power offset would look like. Ive loaded HWInfo and it tells me that my cores are boosting to 4.3 but with 1.53 volts, something tells me that a bit high

Take the cpu voltage off 'Auto'. Try 1.35V.

Panos beat me to it, but anywhere 1.35 to 1.4V should be fine.

 

[Grandmaster Fap!]

TOO MUCH POWERRRRRR
1.38-1.4 max. There are offsets look at guides

OVER 9000!!!!! Yeah i figured its being generous with the juice, i'll search for the offsets.

Take the cpu voltage off 'Auto'. Try 1.35V.

Panos beat me to it, but anywhere 1.35 to 1.4V should be fine.

Will do

 

[TangoEchoAlpha]

Been reading a couple of other threads recently, where posters have said that they might give up PC gaming due to the cost of Intel and NVidia components; and move to console gaming instead.

I really don't understand why people would take that view and it seems to be a blocker for people buying AMD. If you gave up PC gaming, lose all of the advantages that come with it - to buy a console that it's almost certainly going to have somekind of AMD APU or similar in it? Why is there an issue with people buying AMD PC components instead?

I've currently got a X99 system and it's been about 15 years since I've had an AMD system - but it's likely my next upgrade will be AM4 or TR4 based - I'm just trying to rationalise which

 

[Hotwired]

Been reading a couple of other threads recently, where posters have said that they might give up PC gaming due to the cost of Intel and NVidia components; and move to console gaming instead.

I really don't understand why people would take that view and it seems to be a blocker for people buying AMD. If you gave up PC gaming, lose all of the advantages that come with it - to buy a console that it's almost certainly going to have somekind of AMD APU or similar in it? Why is there an issue with people buying AMD PC components instead?

I've currently got a X99 system and it's been about 15 years since I've had an AMD system - but it's likely my next upgrade will be AM4 or TR4 based - I'm just trying to rationalise which

It's a stupid mindset.

So people can't afford or justify THE BEST card or THE BEST cpu anymore.

Big deal, do you like the games you play or are you doing it for some other reason.

It's easy enough to put together a solid gaming PC as long as you realise that resolution and graphical extras are what makes things expensive.

 

[humbug]

That is very strange, they are unwilling to buy AMD hardware when they can no longer afford to buy Intel and nVidia, they complain they will buy a console instead, which has an AMD CPU and GPU

 

[LePhuronn]

That is very strange, they are unwilling to buy AMD hardware when they can no longer afford to buy Intel and nVidia, they complain they will buy a console instead, which has an AMD CPU and GPU

It's not strange at all. If they were sufficiently computer literate to know that AMD power the consoles then they'd also know you can build respectable gaming PCs with AMD components. Or to put it another way, to be so blinkered into believing Nvidintel (that's SO now a word if it wasn't before) is the only route for PC gaming, they won't have a clue what's inside a console.

 

[humbug]

Yeah fair point ^^^

 

[Panos]

That is very strange, they are unwilling to buy AMD hardware when they can no longer afford to buy Intel and nVidia, they complain they will buy a console instead, which has an AMD CPU and GPU

Yeah, is baffling tbh.

 

[FoxEye]

A half-decent AMD GPU is still £250+. That's still the cost of a console by itself.

I partially switched to console gaming and I'm sitting on an RX 480 + 2500k CPU. No regrets. The PS4 Pro gives me as good an experience as the (now fairly ancient) PC, and to get substantially better - from either nV or AMD - I'd have to shell out £350+ on a Vega 56.

The idea that you'd only move to console if you had some kind of vendetta against AMD is as laughable as anything the nV die-hards might say. Just a different colour of bias.

It's amusing tho to watch the usual AMD super-fans reply to each other's comments, lamenting the (perceived) ignorance of the masses who "will only consider nV". Shrugging their shoulders and putting on an air of enlightenment And now trying to paint anyone here who switches to a console as AMD-haters.

Amusing, not factual.

 

[TrixX]

I guess it's where your appreciation rests. If you are just a casual gamer and interested in just having a bit of fun then yes console gaming is perfectly valid. If you are more competitive or want to have the top graphics or the top performance then a console just doesn't cut it.

There's always the argument of what hardware to use. Personal preference at the end of the day. Some activities will prefer one vendor over another and there's some argument to be prepared for you intended use case, but in general most configurations will work for the end user if some logic is applied.

I have an all AMD machine at the moment and considering an Intel one for a specific use case. The 9xxx launch has put that on ice until at least next year, if Zen 2 can perform with equivalence to a 5GHz Intel then it may well be the way to go, but will still need to confirm that use case with the Intel equivalent. Personally not a fan of blind fanboism.

 

[4K8KW10]

A half-decent AMD GPU is still £250+. That's still the cost of a console by itself.

Yeah, but the console itself has a weak APU that probably costs less than £100.

 

[agw_01]

What sort of voltage are you guys using to OC the 2600 to 4GHz?

I started at 1.3v but am now down to 1.18v and still passing 8 hours of OCCT. Is 1.2v at 4GHz fairly typical of this chip?

 

[LePhuronn]

The idea that you'd only move to console if you had some kind of vendetta against AMD is as laughable as anything the nV die-hards might say.

No, the notion of "Intel and Nvidia are taking the mick with their prices, I'm moving to consoles" is what's laughable, but unfortunately is exactly what we're seeing posted on these, and other, forums. If somebody wanted to upgrade, for the price of a console, you could buy AMD components for your existing system and sack off the insane Intel and Nvidia pricing.

And where in the blue hell did you get "vendetta" from?

 

[humbug]

What sort of voltage are you guys using to OC the 2600 to 4GHz?

I started at 1.3v but am now down to 1.18v and still passing 8 hours of OCCT. Is 1.2v at 4GHz fairly typical of this chip?

Thats fine, try for 4.2Ghz at 1.36v.

 

[pastymuncher]

I have a question. I have been tasked with building a pc for someone and after a good chat persuaded him to go down the AMD Ryzen route. He has one particular requirement though and wants to run a pair of NVME drives. I believe if you run a pair of NVME drives on the mainstream Intel platform (Z370/Z390) then the gpu would be dropped to 8x pci-e lanes. Is this the same with Ryzen or does AMD do things differently on AM4?

 

[humbug]

I have a question. I have been tasked with building a pc for someone and after a good chat persuaded him to go down the AMD Ryzen route. He has one particular requirement though and wants to run a pair of NVME drives. I believe if you run a pair of NVME drives on the mainstream Intel platform (Z370/Z390) then the gpu would be dropped to 8x pci-e lanes. Is this the same with Ryzen or does AMD do things differently on AM4?

I don't think many in here will know the answer to that, you should have better luck on AMD reddit page... https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/

 

[DragonQ]

I have a question. I have been tasked with building a pc for someone and after a good chat persuaded him to go down the AMD Ryzen route. He has one particular requirement though and wants to run a pair of NVME drives. I believe if you run a pair of NVME drives on the mainstream Intel platform (Z370/Z390) then the gpu would be dropped to 8x pci-e lanes. Is this the same with Ryzen or does AMD do things differently on AM4?

On X370/XZ470, the first M.2 slot is PCIe 3.0 x4. The second M.2 slot will be PCIe 2.0 and it will share bandwidth with something. Usually one or more PCIe slots or SATA ports, but it depends on the motherboard - you need to read their user manuals to find out.

I believe the Crosshair VI is the only X370 board to have a secondary M.2 slot that is PCIe 3.0 x4 and that's because it shares bandwidth with the second GPU slot. So as long as you're only planning on ever running one GPU, that board would give you full M.2 speeds for both drives. There may be X470 boards that do this also.