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And not only sanity, but the much needed progress in technology/processing performance for the mainstream.
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I just jumped ship from team blue to red with an x470 and a 2700x.
Was running a 4770k OC'd to 4.4 with a 1070. Kept the GFX card and I may be kidding myself here with some mad placebo effect but I honestly think games look better. Forza Horizon 4 for example looks a lot smoother and drawn distances look more, well, detailed.
The advice I was given was that it's a side grade. Feels like an upgrade to me.
Was running a 4770k OC'd to 4.4 with a 1070. Kept the GFX card and I may be kidding myself here with some mad placebo effect but I honestly think games look better. Forza Horizon 4 for example looks a lot smoother and drawn distances look more, well, detailed.
The advice I was given was that it's a side grade. Feels like an upgrade to me.
Very possible - with an old Intel processor, I think I also observed loss of drawn distances in games.
About the upgrade, it is very serious, jumping from 4C/8T to 8C/16T.
On my laptop, I jumped from 2C/2T to 4C/8T. Very nice, indeed.
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You've got more headroom with the extra cores, games getting smother was the first thing I noticed when I switched from a 4770k to a 1700 last year.
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I went from an X58 975 @ 5Ghz to a 1700 @ 3.8ghz and saw the difference in smoothness instantly. Going from the 1700 to my current 2700x i see FPS increases in benchies and what few games i play, that smoothness of gameplay though is such a deal breaker.
Peeps that only follow FPS and so buy Intel, really should take into account the whole gaming experience. In my mind, Ryzen is a much more rewarding gaming experience even if it might be a few FPS behind the best Intel can throw at us.
Anyone got advice on the below?
2700X/Asus CHVII/8pack 3200mhz, 14CL
Cannot even get stable at 3000mhz, ended up buying Ram Test as it is a lot quicker for testing but tried the DOCP profile, Ryzen memory calc and just lowering the speed.
Any advice on testing this further/probability of faulty parts?
2700X/Asus CHVII/8pack 3200mhz, 14CL
Cannot even get stable at 3000mhz, ended up buying Ram Test as it is a lot quicker for testing but tried the DOCP profile, Ryzen memory calc and just lowering the speed.
Any advice on testing this further/probability of faulty parts?
Yeah.
Yes. Going from 4C/4T to 6C/12T.
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I should be using windows balanced rather than the RYZEN power profile right?
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I use windows balanced, Ryzen balanced seems to throw volts at the chip which isnt very balanced 
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Yeah, starting to get familiar with that. I was a bit worried about it TBH.I use windows balanced, Ryzen balanced seems to throw volts at the chip which isnt very balanced
Now using balanced and no Ryzen Master or OC etc, just letting it get up to 4.2/4.3 on it's own.
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I'd say it depends a BIT on use.
I'm VERY pro AMD but.. if you're gaming and aren't stuck in the dark ages on 1080p, put a good clock on that 3570k (I'd consider it to owe you little so... delid and go for 4.8+) and... not much in the Ryzen line will outright smash it for bare "figures" (while gaming), save the upgrade cash for Zen2 next year or get a bigger GPU/Screen. If your quest is for more 1080p frame, a bigger CPU is definitely the way forward.
Now... there's a whole MASS of stuff it DOES help with. Most multi-core aware stuff (even a decent amount of games these days) will see a fairly good uptick, games a BIT less so though, it tends to only be the "minimum frame" rate scores it improves on.
My 2700x hits 4.35ghz single/dual core boost happily, every day of the week. It's still quite close to my mates Haswell i7 in pretty much anything games wise, your Ivy wouldn't be far behind.
Zen2 next year should be a completely different story.
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I would say it's a decent upgrade. But also maybe consider a 1700x or 1800x as well as they are down in price.
Also don't forget to look at the Intel chips.
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Hard to say what to do as I would imagine next gen AMD chips will be coming around April.
I don't have the best 3570k, it tops out at 4.3ghz stable which has been fine but struggling in BFV. Still gaming at 1080p unfortunately, not sure if my 980ti is up to pushing 1440p yet so haven't made the leap.
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My own humble opinion is steer clear of the 1700. It's not fast enough at stock and will need overclocking to get any were close to being a decent gaming chip.
Mine topped out at 3.8Ghz and that was with very aggressive overclocking. (My game at the time was Origins and I could see how the clock speed was holding the game back when I was overclocking it)
Most game scales up to 6 cores. So you're better off getting a very strong 6 core chip rather than a slightly weaker 8 core. Especially if gaming is it's main purpose.
I know this is the AMD thread but don't discount those Intel chips.
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If your budget conscious I would think your choice is between the 1800x and the 2600x. They are about the same price.
1800x has two extra cores. The 2600x will have better IPC and a slightly faster clock speed.
You have some decent benches here:
See what you can buy in the £200 price bracket on the Intel side.
If £200 is too much for you then a 2600 or 1700x will do fine.
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If you do buy AMD make sure you buy an x470 motherboard so you can drop in another CPU in a few years time.
Asus Prime X470 will probably do the job. Unless someone can suggest something better in that range.
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it's a shame the 2700X OC bundle has dropped back to a x370 motherboard. I thought it used to be x470 with x370 in the 2600 bundle.
I know the x370 "should" still work with future am4 cpus, but my gut would still prefer the x470.
Agreed, unless your budget is £2000+ the only real CPU choice for a gaming PC should be between an R5 2600(X) and an R7 1700X/1800X. Which one you choose largely depends on what else you use the system for. If it's 95% gaming, the R5 is likely better. If it's more like 80% and you spend the other 20% of the time doing stuff that would benefit from the extra cores, go for the R7.
For example, a £1500 budget sounds like a lot but it runs out fast:
X470 motherboard: £150
R5 2600: £175
16 GiB DDR4: £175
Vega 56/GTX 1070: £350
Case: £75
1TB SSD: £150
PSU: £75
1440p 144 Hz monitor: £400
Total: £1550 (doesn't include any peripherals)
You can save £150-200 by getting a 1080p 144 Hz monitor instead and then spend that money on an Intel CPU & motherboard but I guarantee you a setup like this would be a better experience for the vast majority of gamers. Otherwise you're looking at spending over £2000 if you want to include a higher end GPU that would take advantage of an Intel CPU.
For example, a £1500 budget sounds like a lot but it runs out fast:
X470 motherboard: £150
R5 2600: £175
16 GiB DDR4: £175
Vega 56/GTX 1070: £350
Case: £75
1TB SSD: £150
PSU: £75
1440p 144 Hz monitor: £400
Total: £1550 (doesn't include any peripherals)
You can save £150-200 by getting a 1080p 144 Hz monitor instead and then spend that money on an Intel CPU & motherboard but I guarantee you a setup like this would be a better experience for the vast majority of gamers. Otherwise you're looking at spending over £2000 if you want to include a higher end GPU that would take advantage of an Intel CPU.