Soldato
DLSS frame generation doesn't work in VR, be interesting to see if FSR 3 does.
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AMD's FSR3 possibly next month ?
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I suspect no one would want to use fake frames in VR anyway and for good reason
imagen the motion sickness due to increased latency..
They would have to rename frame gen to vomit gen 
I keep testing fake frames… er I mean frame generation in CP2077 and The Witcher 3. This is at 4K on a 4080.
My first aim is to get settings that keep minimum FPS above my monitor min freesync range of 48 FPS. At 4K with a 4080 this means RT on with DLSS quality and some settings at high. With CP2077 this means the full path tracing is off limits in some areas, as it dips below 48 FPS
When I enable fake frames the FPS rises to the point full path tracing is now smooth. But even with reflex set in the game options and low latency in NVCP, I get noticeable lag that is not there with it disabled. So before someone complains it’s my monitor or I need to enable reflex, this excessive lag ONLY happens with fake frames enabled.
In order to reduce latency to acceptable levels I need to reduce settings to raise the minimum FPS. So graphical settings end up being reduced until my minimum FPS is at 60-70 FPS before fake frames can be enabled. This is ironically lower settings than if I were to simply use DLSS (or FSR) and aimed for the freesync to maintain smooth and low latency gameplay.
In essence fake frames are only useful if you already have very playable FPS because that way the latency impact is not as big. This is especially noticeable if you are a mouse and keyboard player. Using a game controller helps mask the latency in my tests.
Fake frames have their uses, if you are OK with low latency in games. But if you think it means your 4070Ti, or even your 4080 is now a viable 4K monster with extreme RT settings, think again.
My first aim is to get settings that keep minimum FPS above my monitor min freesync range of 48 FPS. At 4K with a 4080 this means RT on with DLSS quality and some settings at high. With CP2077 this means the full path tracing is off limits in some areas, as it dips below 48 FPS
When I enable fake frames the FPS rises to the point full path tracing is now smooth. But even with reflex set in the game options and low latency in NVCP, I get noticeable lag that is not there with it disabled. So before someone complains it’s my monitor or I need to enable reflex, this excessive lag ONLY happens with fake frames enabled.
In order to reduce latency to acceptable levels I need to reduce settings to raise the minimum FPS. So graphical settings end up being reduced until my minimum FPS is at 60-70 FPS before fake frames can be enabled. This is ironically lower settings than if I were to simply use DLSS (or FSR) and aimed for the freesync to maintain smooth and low latency gameplay.
In essence fake frames are only useful if you already have very playable FPS because that way the latency impact is not as big. This is especially noticeable if you are a mouse and keyboard player. Using a game controller helps mask the latency in my tests.
Fake frames have their uses, if you are OK with low latency in games. But if you think it means your 4070Ti, or even your 4080 is now a viable 4K monster with extreme RT settings, think again.
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Soldato
In slow paced games it could work great, really smoothing out the experience if it does a good job of predicting the intermediate frame.
Is AMD frame gen not supposed to be limited only to AMD 7000 and newer graphics cards.?
Anyway with Nvidia, frame gen is a separate toggle so you can use it with dlss upscaling or without (didn’t try it with FSR so not sure about that).
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Soldato
No don't know if AMD have changed their stance but when it was announced towards to end of last year their marketing suggested that FSR3 will work on most GPUs, including Nvidia. Maybe thats why its taken so long or maybe they've scrapped that plan to get it released...
Soldato
If AMD do lock it up, I'm gonna feel all sorts of special getting an exclusive feature, that nearly nobody can use.
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I can live with that as long as they utilise the AI hardware elements in the chip for a better solution. It's embarrassing for AMD that they're the only gpu manufacturer without a hardware solution now, never mind the fact that software-based XeSS 1.1 has overtaken FSR2/2.2 in terms of quality!
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To me DLSS 3.1 and FSR 2.2 look about the same, when i say about the same what i mean is....... i can't tell the difference, XeSS on the other-hand clearly looks different, its no where near as sharp as the other two, its a much softer image.
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Of course it does.... DLAA runs at native resolution
Because rendering at the native resolution is always better...
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At least in CB77 you can use FG plus FSR with no issues. Actually, FSR, at 4k, tends to present a better (more stable) image in some cases with path tracing than DLSS does.
With FSR3 is up to anyone's guess.
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Of course it does.... DLAA runs at native resolution
Dlaa is very expensive to run though, luckily I have the headroom. Its performance hit is similiar to back in the day when we used MSAA
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DLAA is pretty awesome, one feature I miss.
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In TW3 the FG does contribute to the smoothness of the gameplay as it irons out small stutters here and there.
People forget that gamers played (and still play) on consoles with 30fps (at times significant lower than that) and find it relatively fine. Not everyone is too sensitive to input lag to the point that it becomes problematic.
I'm mostly a 60hz gamer and played most of the time with v sync, ergo rather used to latency. At times FG can feel pretty much the same as native, while in others I notice a bit of lag - that's around 60fps with FG on. Input lag can depend per scene/game/card. Some will notice it, some will not. Probably a lot will be happy to game with it on if that means a smother gameplay and higher details.
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I'm not if is broken or not, but DLAA only takes about 1-2FPS on my 4080.
)So you are basically saying that fake frames are for console playing peasants then!
Well, fake visuals was what PCMR use to say about consoles and their tricks. Now it seems PCMR opinion has turned 180° and the masters with expensive GPUs get to experience real elite fakery!