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People on X are reporting that the Blackhawk pilot is transgender with anti Trump views possible murder suicide. Could be true could be fake news.
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Trump said they would have done a better job recording the data if they were white boxes.
I'd be surprised hugely if that is the case. I have to send my qualifications to Boeing before they will accept any technical documents I have prepared/checked/approved, and for each of those functions they have minimum qualifications. Similarly, to be given priviledges to sign as a CVE/on behalf of the regulator (I don't fall under the FAA due to my organisation being in UK/EU), there's so many hoops that I have to jump through, nevermind a position which has a direct influence on safety.
There are plenty of requirements that necessitate the existence of proper training plans and qualifications prior to people doing any job that could have an impact on safety for things that are checked and double-checked and triple-checked by other functions (so it's very difficult for something to be 'missed'). For ATC I would expect that qualifications/training plans/oversight must be a lot stricter.
If people are saying it on Twitter you can be fairly sure it's fake news.
Yes this was was back some years ago now, and has changed. 2013~. But you can see the lawsuits online, so I doubt there would be a lawsuit if it didn't happen.
Also work in the aviation industry and fall under the CAA regulations, but it still doesn't mean you can't hire someone who passes and ticks every box yet aren't hiring the best for that role.
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Seriously?
Ok I'm biting my tongue or this will end up a SC feast.
At the moment they're going on all sorts of witnesses of unknown reliability. The ATC systems will give some but the ATC themselves are probably in a state of shock. It's only once they have the flight recorders that they'll be able to understand who was doing what with each of the controls etc.
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They are very different systems. TACAN provides range and bearing data between moving objects, and can be useful in formation flying or that sort of thing.
Tactical air navigation system - Wikipedia
TCAS is a system on military and civilian aircraft which will monitor other TCAS equipped aircraft in the vicinity and give avoiding instructions if it calculates a ‘loss of separation’ issue is approaching. The boxes will talk to eachother and tell one aircraft to go right, and the other to go left, for example:
Traffic collision avoidance system - Wikipedia
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Ah yes, X, the totally reliable news outlet which is absolutely not over-run with right-wing lunatics.
Yea i did a late edit...They are very different systems. TACAN provides range and bearing data between moving objects, and can be useful in formation flying or that sort of thing.
Tactical air navigation system - Wikipedia
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TCAS is a system on military and civilian aircraft which will monitor other TCAS equipped aircraft in the vicinity and give avoiding instructions if it calculates a ‘loss of separation’ issue is approaching. The boxes will talk to eachother and tell one aircraft to go right, and the other to go left, for example:
Traffic collision avoidance system - Wikipedia
Point being military aircraft understandably have different systems or lack some of the systems that can be afforded to bigger aircraft where weight isn't such an issue.
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It was just a little joke about DEI.
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yeh totally true.
because that would ofc make much more sense than a simpler explanation that the helicopter simply didn't see the plane right next to them.
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People don't have a sense of humour anymore.
Yeah I'm not saying it's impossible, just that I'd be surprised due to all the bureaucracy that comes with having to meet so many requirements/regulations plus the safety aspect of it. Most of the people working in aviation do care about safety, because they realise that aviation profitability and aviation safety reputation go hand-in-hand. I hope it's not true, because the FAA is already increasing their oversight on most projects, and taking very conservative approaches on anything that isn't clear cut defined in regulation.
Combined with Covid which resulted in a lot of aviation experts leaving the industry/retiring, and what we are seeing is a combination of inexperienced [new hires to replace the seniors that left] people who won't make any judgement call combined with the FAA quering everything to the nth degree, and this creates what we've termed 'requirement creep'.
If the FAA's reputation takes more of a hit I don't want to think how much more work we'd have to do to satisfy the regulators.
P.S. I fall under EASA (mostly, unless I'm working on a Boeing project) due to our organisation being based in France*. We have processes in place now and agreements with CAA but I haven't had much to do with them yet.
*Used to be based here, but since Brexit we had to move it to EU (legally anyway) to maintain our privileges with EASA.
There being a class action suite means nothing. I've seen it said there are 3000 in that suite.
Some figures that show why it's unlikely that they're refusing to give jobs to people that meet the requirements.
The FAA have something like 12k people a year apply to be ATC, most of them fail at the first set of tests run on computers*, then only about 25% of the people that pass those initial computer tests pass the interview stage and go on to training, of which only a small number will pass the training courses which takes a lot of time.
Google suggests only about 2400 people per year pass the computer tests to reach an interview, of which around 400 will get into the actual full training, and then only about 100 will pass training, and a number of those then struggle to progress from the smaller/quieter locations..
So of 12,000 people that apply only about 400 reach training, and only about 100 pass the training to work in an actual ATC as a qualified controller, and a good number of them burn out/can't cope with being ATC outside of training.
Basically the number of people that pass the training is low enough that they can't afford to turn people who have passed down due to stupid things like race these days, unlike back in the 60's when people of certain backgrounds simply were not allowed to take the interviews, but they can be very picky in the testing and interview stage to try and ensure as many who they do offer training to will pass and be suited to actually do the work once qualified.
*Running an initial testing stage on computers is in itself enough to meet a lot of "DEI" measures, as it means you're doing the initial filtering of applicants blindly thus giving everyone the same chance of actually getting to an interview if they could show an aptitude or met the qualifications.
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No, this is just daft far right rhetoric. I would carefully assess where you get your news from
My point would have been about Musk's attitude hence is diverging from the thread.
Indeed, meeting DEI targets can simply mean things like instead of HR filtering CVs based on subjective things like name, gender, age, if and where they went to university, etc. you first let everyone to a standardized aptitude test znd anser some behavioral questions etc. so the initial filter is completely objective .
Black boxes are orange, so obviously from Liverpool and auditioning for a place on love island, I think Trump would approve.
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It appears that the Black Hawk was thousands of feet above where it should have been. This very congested airspace are meant to have military below 1000ft but this one was well over that. It was also a training flight so it looks, from first glance that it was the military's fault.